Lady Slipper / Danger to climbers.

[thenutz]

Hello all,

I was recently at the red this weekend, climbing at lady slipper on whiteout. I was interested to know if anyone knows if this cliffline is forest service owned or privately owned. Me and my partner noticed on the approach trail at the end by were the ledge routes start that there is alot of downed trees. These are not your everyday downed trees they have been cut with a chain saw more of the same as you walk the trail line at the bottom of the cliff toward whiteout. Also the same as you go the opposite direction toward the shining. Alot of downed timber cut into small lengths with a chainsaw. Then to top it all off as we where heading to the shining end of the cliff we hear a chain saw going and low and behold at the top of the cliff they are cutting this timber and dumping it off the ledge. This may need to be addressed if this is forest service land or all climbers need to be aware of this push over from the ledge if this is private land. Just wanted everyone to know what i saw and you can see it yourself at the base of the cliff alot of timber that has been shoved over the ledge.

Don

[TradMike]

Timber, dead cows, etc. They dump it all over the edge. They are building houses up there. There was a dead cow pushed over not long ago.

[Snowpuppy]

Now that bites.

[Andrew]

The sky is falling

[Saxman]

Mooooooooooooooooooooo

[captain static]

I was interested to know if anyone knows if this cliffline is forest service owned or privately owned.

I have put a call into the Forest Service and will respond with an answer when they call back.

[Jeff]

Were the slabs off the ledge (Diamond - Ruby Slippers, etc.) wet?
Seems like since the cabins went in up top, there is a lot of water running over the edge above those routes.
Hope it's not from a septic system.

[TradMike]

It would have to be their septic systems causing that problem. Big fines for an improperly designed septic system. That water must go through enough soil to be treated properly. There is not enough soil up there to treat the sewage. In that case it's basically raw sewage.

[Saxman]

Maybe someone needs to call the county health department. All septic systems are supposed to be inspected but not everyone tells the health department they are putting one in.

[captain static]

They would have to have plans for septic to get a building permit. Because of the water quality designation of the Middle Fork of the Red I would expect the County gets scrutinized by the State on their enforcement. But all said and done that doesn't mean septic works well in this area.