and while we are on the subject, which in all reality is a good one. shitty trad lines are great !!! doesnt cost anything, you can see it from the ground and for some reason appeal to me from time to time. nothing lost, nothing gained, except for me. shitty sport routes are harder to define. i have been lowering off routes since i started climbing that i questioned why in the hell did anyone bolt that, new routes and old ones. ones man garbage, blah,blah, blah. i hate shitty sport routes but am glad they disperse the trillions of people around the region. but the definition of shitty should apply to more than if you scrubbed the lichen off or if some holds are breaking. it need to apply to the bolt position, is the route legal on the land its at, is the route bolted safe and so on. bad route have been put up for sooooo many years around these parts. old timers, you all put up some of the worst. we could list pages worth.
so yeah, let peer comments and shit talking continue, its not that new. but do it as who you are and not trolling to get a interweb fight rolling. if a route is deemed to be plum shitty and just not needed the only one that will carry a chop is the land owner or the fa.
so list the shitty routes chief i wanna know
The Judge is in the house! (or the return of peer review)
Pigsteak and Wes - I wish we had rating abilities on posts because I would give high ratings to both.
My opinion on this matter as just someone reading, Pigsteak: do you think for a second that Da Judge has an iota of motivation to go out and chop bolts? The apparent demonstration of selfishness answers that - no way would he/she take time from climbing.
Someone just got bored at work (and with life evidently) and decided to push some buttons. And not only is he selfish, he's also just a wuss because anyone with true integrity wouldn't hide as he has done.
Now, my opinion as a board member: I am not certain of the policies regarding bolt removal without permission, although such a policy should be discussed if it doesn't exist. The property is a community effort and we can only hope each person will contribute even it's only moral support. Unfortunately, we have to encounter bad seeds.
Da Judge, If you can do the job better, maybe your efforts would be better served setting the example of stellar route developing. Pigsteak, could you give us an estimate of how much a route typically costs, including your time away from climbing?
My opinion on this matter as just someone reading, Pigsteak: do you think for a second that Da Judge has an iota of motivation to go out and chop bolts? The apparent demonstration of selfishness answers that - no way would he/she take time from climbing.
Someone just got bored at work (and with life evidently) and decided to push some buttons. And not only is he selfish, he's also just a wuss because anyone with true integrity wouldn't hide as he has done.
Now, my opinion as a board member: I am not certain of the policies regarding bolt removal without permission, although such a policy should be discussed if it doesn't exist. The property is a community effort and we can only hope each person will contribute even it's only moral support. Unfortunately, we have to encounter bad seeds.
Da Judge, If you can do the job better, maybe your efforts would be better served setting the example of stellar route developing. Pigsteak, could you give us an estimate of how much a route typically costs, including your time away from climbing?
and just to get the most important stuff outta the way.
no way in hell am i a hoosier. i was born and rasied in the hills of tn/ky.
and the drinks i was slugging was beer, white russians and wine once we ran out. keep it straight........
now im off to freeze my ass off putting roofs on houses.
no way in hell am i a hoosier. i was born and rasied in the hills of tn/ky.
and the drinks i was slugging was beer, white russians and wine once we ran out. keep it straight........
now im off to freeze my ass off putting roofs on houses.
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right on pigsteak and matt
thanks for all the work you do for us and for the endless giving of your time and money. you guys, and everyone else who puts up new lines or volunteers for the rrgcc truly exemplify what climbing is about.
and personally who gives a shit if someone bolts a heap, it helps disperse the crowds. If it sucks, don't climb it, but if you're bored and there is nothing else to do... what the hell at least your climbing. ( and your climbing because someone took an hour out of their day, and 100 bucks out of their pocket to equip it, so be thankful).
thanks for all the work you do for us and for the endless giving of your time and money. you guys, and everyone else who puts up new lines or volunteers for the rrgcc truly exemplify what climbing is about.
and personally who gives a shit if someone bolts a heap, it helps disperse the crowds. If it sucks, don't climb it, but if you're bored and there is nothing else to do... what the hell at least your climbing. ( and your climbing because someone took an hour out of their day, and 100 bucks out of their pocket to equip it, so be thankful).
ray, is there a way to add "zero" stars as a rating....that might help bring the ratings in line a bit.
da judge, I have to admit you are on to something. I take responsibilty for the crappy routes I bolted at Curbside. I have told a dozen people that I wish I had never bolted most of those lines. The rock quality is "average" at best over there. However, I do not think the routes are causing most people any distress. If the community consensus is they should go, then everyone please let me know. I bolted them, I will remove them. The first or second bolt on the return of frank bryon needs moved (which is it ray?)...da judge, to show your sincerity in bringing our image back to par, I would like to offer you the chance to fix this. You may borrow my drill if necessary. I will also give you any hardware you need. And, sincerely, thank you in advance.
da judge, I have to admit you are on to something. I take responsibilty for the crappy routes I bolted at Curbside. I have told a dozen people that I wish I had never bolted most of those lines. The rock quality is "average" at best over there. However, I do not think the routes are causing most people any distress. If the community consensus is they should go, then everyone please let me know. I bolted them, I will remove them. The first or second bolt on the return of frank bryon needs moved (which is it ray?)...da judge, to show your sincerity in bringing our image back to par, I would like to offer you the chance to fix this. You may borrow my drill if necessary. I will also give you any hardware you need. And, sincerely, thank you in advance.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.