The Judge is in the house! (or the return of peer review)
Re: Stripping shitty pile jobs
I've provided the tools for you and the community to "deal with" this. Please vote 1 star on the routes you dislike. It's the only way your voice can be heard. Or shoot me a PM at any time with the routes you think received more stars than they deserve.Fartspray wrote: The Business of awarding too many goofy stars to routes that are not classic and have not been judged by the community is also an issue that needs to dealt with.
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Matt Tackett, thats me. I will be glad to pm you my work schedule, address and where I will be to anyone that would like to talk. I will be glad to tell you what clilff I will be climbing at or where I will be drinking if I hit town. Hiding, I will never.
Again, talk shit , thats fun stuff ! Bad routes have been put up since routes were climbed. I just think its ghey using a troll to talk about something that you know hits a lot of people and pretty cowardly as well. If your going to bring up developer names, bring up routes names so we can know whats up and have a chance to comment. I like to hear feedback from routes that I have done and have gave mine opinon on many routes I didnt like to others. I want to hear if its dirty now, if a bolt is hard to clip for you or whatever. But in the end, like I said earlier. I bolt them for me to climb them.
I do have this to say and will not be getting into on online baby shit talking battle with you, its a waste of time that I do not have. If you list the routes of mine that you have issues with I will read that and talk about them. But back to the point. I have lived in the Red fulltime for close to 4 years now, been coming down for 10. Every single freaking day, every time I leave my place, every time I sleep at night, everytime I park at a crag I have to worry about theft. I have had gear taken, windows busted, grills taken, food stolen, coffee mugs, we even had shit stole out of our burned down house and off my burned down truck. From climbers and non-climbers a like. If I catch someone stealing shit at my place they will get beat down. If your honor chops any of my routes there will be rights thrown.
Again, talk shit , thats fun stuff ! Bad routes have been put up since routes were climbed. I just think its ghey using a troll to talk about something that you know hits a lot of people and pretty cowardly as well. If your going to bring up developer names, bring up routes names so we can know whats up and have a chance to comment. I like to hear feedback from routes that I have done and have gave mine opinon on many routes I didnt like to others. I want to hear if its dirty now, if a bolt is hard to clip for you or whatever. But in the end, like I said earlier. I bolt them for me to climb them.
I do have this to say and will not be getting into on online baby shit talking battle with you, its a waste of time that I do not have. If you list the routes of mine that you have issues with I will read that and talk about them. But back to the point. I have lived in the Red fulltime for close to 4 years now, been coming down for 10. Every single freaking day, every time I leave my place, every time I sleep at night, everytime I park at a crag I have to worry about theft. I have had gear taken, windows busted, grills taken, food stolen, coffee mugs, we even had shit stole out of our burned down house and off my burned down truck. From climbers and non-climbers a like. If I catch someone stealing shit at my place they will get beat down. If your honor chops any of my routes there will be rights thrown.
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Just what we need some old, crusty, never-was saving us from ourselves with their superior intellect and the wisdom of the ages, along with stories of having to walk uphill, both ways, through the snow and sleet to the crag in the olden days. What. Ever. When was the last time any of you all broke out your gear and replaced the old hardware on your routes? Or gone back to fix any funky clips? Maybe you should clean up some of the crap your generation placed before ragging on the newer generation?
I do think there are routes out there that get too many stars, and I vote them as such if I end up climbing them. Otherwise, I just walk on by. In no way does having some chossy lines out there actually harm my climbing.
And, Fartspray, you should just add "High, I am Mike Norman, and every once in a while I like to come out of whatever stupor I have put myself in to talk shit on the internet. But never actually follow up on any of it, so just ignore my bitter at life rants" as your sig line.
I do think there are routes out there that get too many stars, and I vote them as such if I end up climbing them. Otherwise, I just walk on by. In no way does having some chossy lines out there actually harm my climbing.
And, Fartspray, you should just add "High, I am Mike Norman, and every once in a while I like to come out of whatever stupor I have put myself in to talk shit on the internet. But never actually follow up on any of it, so just ignore my bitter at life rants" as your sig line.
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Po, the kung fu panda
Po, the kung fu panda
I am laughing so hard I may never get work done today. Fartspray and da Judge..let's just remember we can't equate age with wisdom.
For a group of individuals who like to say "there are no rules", "climbing is freedom", "we can do what we want".......
now they want to impose the "rules" and "ethics" and "route taste interpetation" of a select few who deem certain piles to be beneath them. why, my astute fellas, these seems like...gasp...dare I say it...the tactics of the "sheriff" of Muir Valley. So many of you ungrateful bastards like to ream Rick for heavy handed oversight, and you now have become the object of your own scorn.
peer review it pretty easy..only problem is I see no one posting here who comes close to being a peer of Tackett. Lurkist is the only old crusty who actually posts shit but then is able to bring a positive spin to the discussion.
I consider Blake, Wes, Matt, Josh, and Ron as my friends, first and foremost. But to insinuate, threaten, or actually pull someones hard work and effort from the wall without man to man talking to them just makes you a bitter old chump.
The same people who bolt routes are the same people who pay for the damn hardware, who work at trail days, who donate cash to buy the PMRP......I know that you, da Judge, are not out there doing the same, working side by side with these individuals, because if you were you would not publically call them out while hiding yourself. You'd contact the "offender" privately to discuss your concern. If that did not appease you, then you would bring it to the community as a whole.
And since da Judge wants to stir the pot, then let's get it on. I am sick of minions and old washed ups thinking they own the whole god damn gorge....you old skoolers bolted on FS land without permission, bolted on private land without permission, tresspassed where you damn well pleased, and basically fucked up relations for the latest brand of climbers. Yeah, thanks a million for YOUR contributions to your beloved Red.
Now, where were we? I'd love to hear the PMRP BOD thinks on this subject and let us know where they stand as our appointed representatives.
To all climbers: You want to drive a wedge in between a community trying to raise some money to save this great climbing area? Then stay silent on this issue.
Muir Valley is looking like a complete paradise compared to the weak sauce y'all bring to the table.
And to Tackett, sorry man if I took this on alone. You lost your business, you coordinate (with Paul) for clothing for the poor, coordinate JATD, you allowed RocTrip and the ensuing mess to happen on your land, you bolt some killer lines, you pay mad money for permanent gear and replacing the crap the last generation left us, you also put up some crazy trad, and these punks repay with righteous indignation.
I, for one, refuse to stand by.
For a group of individuals who like to say "there are no rules", "climbing is freedom", "we can do what we want".......
now they want to impose the "rules" and "ethics" and "route taste interpetation" of a select few who deem certain piles to be beneath them. why, my astute fellas, these seems like...gasp...dare I say it...the tactics of the "sheriff" of Muir Valley. So many of you ungrateful bastards like to ream Rick for heavy handed oversight, and you now have become the object of your own scorn.
peer review it pretty easy..only problem is I see no one posting here who comes close to being a peer of Tackett. Lurkist is the only old crusty who actually posts shit but then is able to bring a positive spin to the discussion.
I consider Blake, Wes, Matt, Josh, and Ron as my friends, first and foremost. But to insinuate, threaten, or actually pull someones hard work and effort from the wall without man to man talking to them just makes you a bitter old chump.
The same people who bolt routes are the same people who pay for the damn hardware, who work at trail days, who donate cash to buy the PMRP......I know that you, da Judge, are not out there doing the same, working side by side with these individuals, because if you were you would not publically call them out while hiding yourself. You'd contact the "offender" privately to discuss your concern. If that did not appease you, then you would bring it to the community as a whole.
And since da Judge wants to stir the pot, then let's get it on. I am sick of minions and old washed ups thinking they own the whole god damn gorge....you old skoolers bolted on FS land without permission, bolted on private land without permission, tresspassed where you damn well pleased, and basically fucked up relations for the latest brand of climbers. Yeah, thanks a million for YOUR contributions to your beloved Red.
Now, where were we? I'd love to hear the PMRP BOD thinks on this subject and let us know where they stand as our appointed representatives.
To all climbers: You want to drive a wedge in between a community trying to raise some money to save this great climbing area? Then stay silent on this issue.
Muir Valley is looking like a complete paradise compared to the weak sauce y'all bring to the table.
And to Tackett, sorry man if I took this on alone. You lost your business, you coordinate (with Paul) for clothing for the poor, coordinate JATD, you allowed RocTrip and the ensuing mess to happen on your land, you bolt some killer lines, you pay mad money for permanent gear and replacing the crap the last generation left us, you also put up some crazy trad, and these punks repay with righteous indignation.
I, for one, refuse to stand by.
Last edited by pigsteak on Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
