Pigsteak Sucks

Post by **Spragwa** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:25 pm

Spragwa..

I just happen to be cruising on Fee Fi Fo Fum, and I see I was included in a "wedding" to SS and HF....too funny. I appreciate you thinking of me. it is funny how straight up discussions can not be addressed here without people getting bent out of shape. I notice forums such as that one get lots of attention, but then serious discussions about legit issues turn into fire throwing.

Anyway, if you want to dice it up on a discussion board about any climbing topic, drop me a line, and I'll be there to hammer it out with you. debate is healthy..you should know that counsel...but you need to address me directly instead of name throwing in the dark corners of the world.

pigsteak

Here's the PM I got from Pigsteak. This guy won't reveal his identity and accuses me of hiding in the dark corners. He knows who I am, won't tell me who he is and PMs me like some freaking weirdo, nutbag. Now, he's trying to berate me into some kind of mental joust to get his rocks off. No thanks.

Post by **Johnny** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:38 pm

Okay, I admit it. I'm Pigsteak.

Post by **TexasK** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:43 pm

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:46 pm

Claire,
Are you listening?

LMFAO Spragwa!!!! You engage in discussion with another poster who talks about bodily dismemberment, allusions to Ted Bundy, etc...and I am the nutcase? So if I tell you where I live, my dog's name, my favorite trad line at the Red, my hardest sport flash to date, and describe privates like your "chum" scrotum....does that make us automatic buddies?

get over yourself. no one's stalking you. but the offer still stands....you formulate the debate, and I'll be there. here, so you don't go psycho on us, I'll start.

City of Rocks just re-opened some land. The "climbing ranger" warned the first new route setters to not follow the precedent of Tony Yaniro, who in the late 80's bolted gym holds to the blank faces for an outdoor comp. Anyone care to take a stab at how that is different than placing bolts? Any different than someone coming and chopping those bolts when not deemed necessary for safe travel by the next party?

So, climbers establishing routes at City of Rocks are supposed to be "great examples" and "stewards" of the land, but in places such as Potosi and Mt Charleston a blind eye is turned to seemingly "minor" enhancements and hold manufacturing. Hmm, so much for stewardship.

Let me qualify that. By "blind eye" I mean those places are wildly popular. So while out of one side of our mouth we denounce the "trendsetters", out of the other we still flock to these places to recreate.

Climbing is nothing more than a selfish pursuit where hidden agendas reign. if I am old school trad, then blast the bolts. If I am sport, then kill the hex heads. If I am a self proclaimed all arounder, then snub those who focus on one discipline. Then I love the discussion of "how long" can one party "take" up one route? For god's sake people..that is assuming that the next party has more of a right to be on it that the first party. get over yourselves. if they hang a rope for 12 hours on kampsight, and get much enjoyment out of it, who are YOU to judge that the limit is only 45 minutes per route.

For a population (climbers) who think they are so enviro and open minded, we are (as a group) perhaps one of the most self righteous, condescending, "me focused" user groups out there.

your turn.

Post by **rhunt** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:59 pm

Wow this looks great...everyone look here...this could get exciting!!

Come on Spagwa, don't disappoint me, use your professional skills here!!

Bring it

Lame Wade · Post by **Lame Wade** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:03 pm

No. A "nutcase" is someone who is out of thier mind. A "nutbag", which is what you were referred to as, is the same as a scrotum. Both are insults though, so you had that part right.

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:06 pm

Thanks for the clarification Lame Wade....I stand corrected...nutbag it is....

Post by **Power2U** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:16 pm

I am going to watch this one closely and add my 2 cents at just the right moment. For now I am going to wait for Spragwa's reply and consider changing my signature to..

"Climbing is nothing more than a selfish pursuit where hidden agendas reign."
- Pigsteak

I'll be the first to admit that I climb for me. I want to get better at it for me. I neglect other aspects of life to climb... for me. I want to climb hard number's 5.13 sport, 5.12 r/x trad, v10...to feel superior to everyone else around me...well at least I used the word "me" again

Me, me, me, me

I love climbing

and this web site has added a whole new dimension to the sport that I wasn't even aware existed until a few months ago. Wow!

Post by **overhung** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:34 pm

I'd like to see this in person.

Post by **Artsay** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:09 pm

P2U - Why do you want to feel superior to everyone else around you? You should read Arno's book and his many discussions about the Ego. You will *never* be superior to anyone else around you, no matter how many V10's, 5.13's, or moon travels you conquer.