pigsteak wrote:ok...from an old fart...90% of the time if I plan on projecting somehting at my maximum limit, then I have "zero" reservations of stick clipping thru cruxes. I do this for several reasons:
ping to the pros....
When they are no longer noobs, I am sure they'll form there own own moral standards about the stickclip and tell all you bastards to shut the hell up. While they are noobs, just let them enjoy their innocence while they still have it. It can be a cruel world with people telling them what the "proper" way to climb is. It seems like such a long time ago but I miss that one day at the red where I got to toprope everything.der uber wrote:Caribe, I think you're spot on. It's kinda like people how are new to climbing who haven't learned yet the difference between getting to the top, and getting the send.
I have met you and think you are a positive, energetic climber. However I feel like this is way of base. Come on man, everybody seems to climb things a little differently. Say you are looking at the twelve wall at military. You see some one kneebaring their way up Reliquary. And maybe you think kneebars are ghey. Or you look over at Nudgepappa and you see kids falling all over the place. And you think that is so silly why don't those climbers get on something they can really climb. Or maybe you look over your right shoulder and see tons of Gumbies with helmets, almost killing themselves with the shit they do. But you learned from a certified guide so you think you are above all that z-clipping non-sense. Are all these climbers "socially disconnected"? They might be disconnected from each others groups(the gumbies and the falling kids). Maybe. But look closer. Those individual groups are tight. And low and behold they are having a "positive experience" and they respect each other within the group.caribe wrote: If the general MO is stick clipping up routes because one never wants to fall, I am not sure how one can have a positive experience. If self respect is not important or if one can respect self and stick clip their way up everything, this defines a loss of rapport with others who climb everywhere. If one can be happy socially disconnected ... that is fine.
Ummmm this thread is about bolts, other people's way of doing things is the only way to do things, stick clipping, ethics, ego, and self gratification. C'mom SCIN you've been around the board long enough know that EVERY thread is about these six topics.SCIN wrote:What the hell is this thread about? I'm so confused. I stick clipped my ass up a project last week. Carried it on my harness like a piece of gear.....full extended. You should've seen what an ass I looked like. I feel good about that.
