Can you call it a flash if....

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:40 pm

no it wouldn't.

Post by **captain static** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:47 pm

I would just call it an FA.

Post by **512OW** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:36 pm

Dhaulagiri wrote:
People fondle the holds on boulder problems all the time and still call it a flash if they climb it from the ground first try.

True, but thats with their feet on the ground. You can climb a route to one move from the anchors, and as long as you downclimb, if you send it on the next go its still an onsight.

So say the governing laws.

Just not sure what it means if you're feeling holds you can't reach, while hanging on a rope...

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:58 pm

ow, that's messed up....

Post by **512OW** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:12 pm

I get that from an old mag that said Yuji onsighted Sphinx crack. However, he climbed up 50 feet, then downclimbed, removing his gear. He later led it clean.

Still an onsight.

Frankly, its all stupid. I'm just wondering.

Post by **Shamis** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:52 pm

The traddies I used to hang with always said downclimbing was still legit for an onsight as long as you didn't fall or hang. So i guess if you extrapolate that theory, then as long as you never receive any beta, and only investigate holds via your own physical abilities without weighting gear, then you're still eligible for an onsight.

This would rule out the guy who bolted the climb since he's investigated the route while rapping, and probably touched a bunch of holds while rappelling.

Is Flash a subset of onsight? Or can you onsight something without flashing it?
Silly questions for silly people.

Post by **heidiramma** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:30 pm

Horatio Felacio wrote:flash. ho has spoken.

you need to get with the program 5.12buttlicker...you must unlearn what you have learned...no one cares about the difference btwn. flash/onsight/1st go/redpoint/pinkpoint/brownpoint/buttpoint/point break.

spoken quite elegantly. you truly have a wonderful descriptive talent.

Post by **anticlmber** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:42 pm

touching the holds wouldn't matter. someone can tell you there's a hidden pocket in the jug, or a thumb catch, or that you have to reach way back for the good part. you can be told this and that is a flash correct?? if that is so than a fondle isn't much more than being told. the guy rapping in just has a better chance of flashing the route. who flashed your proj???

Post by **512OW** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:52 pm

Nobody. I don't have projects. They're a waste of time. I just send shit.

I'm just tryin to learn the lingo and rules. I have matching quickdraws now, so I figured it was the next step to sport weeniedom.

Post by **anticlmber** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:08 pm

nah the next step is that when somebody suggests a crag to climb at go, "ppsshhh, there's nothing hard there." the step after that is lose your personality. only tools climb hard.