Illegal Aliens desired
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anticlmber
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gunslnga wrote:Pru,
This is not an I hate the immigrant rant,
I have to believe that you guys are arguing real vs ideal here. I mean, I totally agree with gunny on this, if you want in our country, you should pledge allegiance to our country and jump through the hoops to show that you are willing. We must know that you are willing to stand up for the country when needed. However, hunger brings on survival mode, and a child's hunger can make one a predator.Pru wrote:gunslnga, I never said you hated immigrants....
How you compare may not be as important as to whom you are compared
Lets add fuel to the fire. Also, by no means does this represent all hispanics immigrants as a whole.
In my 3 little years as a public school teacher, 2 in NC 1 in OH, I have taught many hispanic students. I have taught at least 50 as best as I could. What I have learned is that they all were some of my best students. The only hispanic students that cared little about their education, I found out at some point that their parents were second generation in America. All of my first generation hispanic students(many not from Mexico
), were very hard workers and after meeting their parents found out that their parents would make any one proud to share their country with. Many of their parents came our school in the evenings to learn "Merrcan" on top of their long work schedules and family duties.
Actually this could be said for all of my immigrant students no matter where they come from. So what does this say about actual Americans? Maybe we should let any immigrant in who wants to come but kick them out once they have assimilated into American culture.
In my 3 little years as a public school teacher, 2 in NC 1 in OH, I have taught many hispanic students. I have taught at least 50 as best as I could. What I have learned is that they all were some of my best students. The only hispanic students that cared little about their education, I found out at some point that their parents were second generation in America. All of my first generation hispanic students(many not from Mexico
), were very hard workers and after meeting their parents found out that their parents would make any one proud to share their country with. Many of their parents came our school in the evenings to learn "Merrcan" on top of their long work schedules and family duties. Actually this could be said for all of my immigrant students no matter where they come from. So what does this say about actual Americans? Maybe we should let any immigrant in who wants to come but kick them out once they have assimilated into American culture.
Living the dream
Pru,
Learning English may be hard, but if your struggling to survive in a foreign land, you learn the language or you don't survive. I went to Iraq, you bet I picked up all the Arabic I could and as fast as I could. I don't have a time limit on them learning English, as long as you are trying, so be it.... I have been in situations where some Mexicans were doing something wrong and started saying no hablas english to the cops, then walk away and speak perfect English to the Mcdonalds drive-thru, go figure.
I just can't get past how quickly people are dismissing the negative aspects of this whole issue for the heart felt sympathy that is wasted on these people. You want to know why most are not learning the language, because they are migrant workers, that means they work here all summer, stay amongst Spanish speaking people, then go back to Mexico, pockets full of American money, saying Audios Gringo's and porfor vor... How nice of them. Don't let them fool you, most know and understand whats going on and they don't care, they don't assimilate, and they think were soft (they're right) and will take whatever we give them, and what we dont, they take.....Are they all bad??? No, not at all, most are good people, but now alot of them are being turned away from employers who will not chance getting fined or arrested for hiring them. Now, imagine you have come here for years, work all summer and usually leave back to Mexico about early September or October. Now you are here deep in Northern Ohio (not even a border state) your employer has just been arrested for hiring you, but somehow you have gotten away from "La Migra". Now, your on the run, don't speak any English (because your not planning on staying ) your scared, don't know anyone, having no money, a guy says, just hold onto a package for me, when someone comes asking about it, get $500.00 dollars for it and you keep $100.00. Now the first couple of times it goes smoothly, you are making more money than you did landscaping, it seems so easy and no pesky " La Migra". One night a new guy shows up, he wants the package, upon recieving it, he hand cuffs you and in two seconds, your charged with you "SECOND" felony since you came to the states.
This is actually a true story, I read it in the Cincinnati Enquirer about six months ago, it was an expose on the troubles of the illegals and the troubles the illegals get into. Your own words stated that If it were me, I would do whatever I could do to survive and feed my family, you are both right and dead wrong. I have known poverty in my life time, when I was a kid in the 70's we did'nt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. My father, a six grade educated, 3 tour in Vietnam Veteran, could not find work, with his grade school reading, in post war America. He did odd jobs, mowed grass, did plumbing, painted houses, etc. etc. Had food stamps, and yes I have eaten more mustard and govenment cheese sandwhiches than any prison inmate has ever had to suffer through. I at one time thought it was normal to eat fried Bologna 4 ot of 5 days a week, and I thought only rich people put hamburger in they're hamburger helper. My father never resorted to selling drugs or anything illegal to take care of us, my mother never did as well. I understand we are Americans who speak English, but imagine reading at a 6 year old level and comprehending at a 7 year olds, but my dad held his head high and did not give up or resort to illegal activities. I remember when he got a good job at Wiedeman Brewry and he was making $9.50 an hour ( like $15.50 hr now) and we bought t-bone steaks for the first time, we thought we hit the big time, and my first Nikes, I was in heaven. Anyway, it's a case by case basis, but starting your journey to citenship here should not start with two felony indictments, that is if you ever wanted to be a citizen in the first place. We obviously will not see eye to eye on this, as I'm coming from a logical standpoint and you from a emotional one, this is o.k., we can agree to disagree, as always, my 2cents.......
Learning English may be hard, but if your struggling to survive in a foreign land, you learn the language or you don't survive. I went to Iraq, you bet I picked up all the Arabic I could and as fast as I could. I don't have a time limit on them learning English, as long as you are trying, so be it.... I have been in situations where some Mexicans were doing something wrong and started saying no hablas english to the cops, then walk away and speak perfect English to the Mcdonalds drive-thru, go figure.
I just can't get past how quickly people are dismissing the negative aspects of this whole issue for the heart felt sympathy that is wasted on these people. You want to know why most are not learning the language, because they are migrant workers, that means they work here all summer, stay amongst Spanish speaking people, then go back to Mexico, pockets full of American money, saying Audios Gringo's and porfor vor... How nice of them. Don't let them fool you, most know and understand whats going on and they don't care, they don't assimilate, and they think were soft (they're right) and will take whatever we give them, and what we dont, they take.....Are they all bad??? No, not at all, most are good people, but now alot of them are being turned away from employers who will not chance getting fined or arrested for hiring them. Now, imagine you have come here for years, work all summer and usually leave back to Mexico about early September or October. Now you are here deep in Northern Ohio (not even a border state) your employer has just been arrested for hiring you, but somehow you have gotten away from "La Migra". Now, your on the run, don't speak any English (because your not planning on staying ) your scared, don't know anyone, having no money, a guy says, just hold onto a package for me, when someone comes asking about it, get $500.00 dollars for it and you keep $100.00. Now the first couple of times it goes smoothly, you are making more money than you did landscaping, it seems so easy and no pesky " La Migra". One night a new guy shows up, he wants the package, upon recieving it, he hand cuffs you and in two seconds, your charged with you "SECOND" felony since you came to the states.
This is actually a true story, I read it in the Cincinnati Enquirer about six months ago, it was an expose on the troubles of the illegals and the troubles the illegals get into. Your own words stated that If it were me, I would do whatever I could do to survive and feed my family, you are both right and dead wrong. I have known poverty in my life time, when I was a kid in the 70's we did'nt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. My father, a six grade educated, 3 tour in Vietnam Veteran, could not find work, with his grade school reading, in post war America. He did odd jobs, mowed grass, did plumbing, painted houses, etc. etc. Had food stamps, and yes I have eaten more mustard and govenment cheese sandwhiches than any prison inmate has ever had to suffer through. I at one time thought it was normal to eat fried Bologna 4 ot of 5 days a week, and I thought only rich people put hamburger in they're hamburger helper. My father never resorted to selling drugs or anything illegal to take care of us, my mother never did as well. I understand we are Americans who speak English, but imagine reading at a 6 year old level and comprehending at a 7 year olds, but my dad held his head high and did not give up or resort to illegal activities. I remember when he got a good job at Wiedeman Brewry and he was making $9.50 an hour ( like $15.50 hr now) and we bought t-bone steaks for the first time, we thought we hit the big time, and my first Nikes, I was in heaven. Anyway, it's a case by case basis, but starting your journey to citenship here should not start with two felony indictments, that is if you ever wanted to be a citizen in the first place. We obviously will not see eye to eye on this, as I'm coming from a logical standpoint and you from a emotional one, this is o.k., we can agree to disagree, as always, my 2cents.......
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anticlmber
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Pru
Krampus, all I am saying is that it is Americans who have made it easy for illegals to border jump and work here. I'm not saying it is okay or right. Hell, I haven't even expressed an opinion on the shrub's stupid fucking bill (oops, there I did!). What I am saying is to stop blaming the illegals. People are going to do whatever is easiest and most lucritive (again, easy being a relative term, because these people often risk their lives and they ALWAYS work damn hard). Illegal labor is a fucking industry in and of itself and it's a long tradition in some border towns that everyone hops in a van and comes to the US, works damn hard for however long, and then takes money back home to feed their families. It's been going on for generations. So the only way to stop that is to stop hiring them, penalize the employers, or open up a fuck load of work visas, track this shit and make everyone involved pay taxes. Just don't hold your breath on that.krampus wrote: I have to believe that you guys are arguing real vs ideal here. I mean, I totally agree with gunny on this, if you want in our country, you should pledge allegiance to our country and jump through the hoops to show that you are willing. We must know that you are willing to stand up for the country when needed. However, hunger brings on survival mode, and a child's hunger can make one a predator.
The thing is that the politicians really don't GAS, as evidenced by that retarded bill. Certain parts of our economy depend on illegal labor and will certainly collapse without it. The solution is not to hate the workers, nor is it make them all legal and wipe away their "sins". The solution is to hold the rich, powerful shit heads who enable them to work here accountable.
I know each and every one of us would hop in those vans and cross the desert at night if we had starving families who depended on us. Anyone who says they would instead stay home work a Mexican job at a Mexican wage (especially since in many places there are NO jobs) and figure out who is going to eat today is delusional. Remember, we are talking about laborers in border towns where the only 'industry' is illegal work north of the border.
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anticlmber
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if all the fucking( pun intended) catholics would start wearing a rubber maybe they wouldn't have a starving family in the desert that makes them hop a fence and "steal" jobs from "hard working" "americans" so that we all have something to whine about at your 9-5 job. pretty soon you'll be outsourced and all the beaners will be on El Rojo Rio Escalante talking about lazy americans while we sell trinkets to them on the side of the freeway.
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