OKcaribe wrote:
I frankly can not understand this vitriol directed toward Rick. He and Liz have given heart and soul (just a metaphor, see Adam and Eve hunted dinosaurs) to the Red and the climbing community. If you want runouts and wild adventure go elsewhere.
Nature preserve? Right!caribe wrote: I love the fact that they test gear at Muir, it gives us all perspective. The time and money that went into developing Muir as a climbing site and nature preserve is time and money that very few of us have. The fact that you use the word customers when no one is paying but the Webers is F-ed up and ungrateful mon ami. I too despise Disneyland, but that is not Liz and Rick's perspective at all. The edge on your message is dissonant with the facts.
I'm not ungrateful. I have never climbed there, nor will I.
Pfffft. You have your head buried up Weber's ass. Climbing is and always has been an adventure activity. Take that away and you have..... a place like Muir Valley. Blechhhhhhhhhhhh!caribe wrote: The dual purpose of Muir means no dogs, be happy it does not mean no climbers. Muir is a place beginners can go and be safer. Muir runs programs to educate people. We all trip on the out-of-this-world gumby antics we see at the Red; Liz and Rick actually DO SOMETHING about it. Just because they are not align exactly with what you think climbing ought to be does not mean that you can't value the Webers as a vital cog in the climbing community. Your message leaves wondering whether you think we would all be better off if Muir would close. That is utter madness!!! Think 3x B4 U post.
If you want safe, family fun go bowling.
caribe wrote: This public service announcement was not financed by the Weber campaign committee.
This post in NO WAY supports chipping to create holds. I think it is dead wrong. It must violate the principle of minimal acceptable change and the natural moral code that we all natively understand.
The Lord of the Manor doesn't seem to understand. Reread my original post. I never accused Weber of chipping. He waded in and assumed that I was writing about him. Then he vehemently denied that he was the sculptor. I think that this is very telling. [/b]
