Piggy: As I said before with God as an arbitrary hypothesis she basically does not exist. Neither do flying pasta monsters or Universe-ruling alien genitalia. In terms of pure mathematical logic, I am an agnostic. In practical terms I am an atheist. Translate this as not-god or without god. I am not taking a faith-based stance on whether god exists.
No one can prove anything does not exist. Put god in for anything or anything else for that matter.
Someone can gather evidence for the existence and / or relevance of something. In so doing this something should be characterizable and provide predictive ability about whatever one is considering.
Our models for reality should be as simple as possible, if not in the scientific/logic realm you get god and in the religious realm you get a pantheon.
Adam and Eve hunted dinosaurs!
You cannot disprove the existence of anything. The dictionary has done more harm to atheists than anything else. "One who denies the existence of god" is an untenable argument, and does not accurately describe any atheist I've ever met.pigsteak wrote:exactly rhunt..that is my point...christian faith and atheism are the two most far fetched positions to maintain. they are closer to each other in their reliance on faith than either side wants to admit...
being an agnostic is the most solid position from which to argue.
There is either enough evidence to make something worth believing or their isn't. Most atheists will simply state that it is very unlikely that there is a supreme being in the traditional sense. So unlikely that it is not really worth worrying about. Just like most of us don't really sit around and wonder if unicorns exist, or celestial teapots.
Its more of a stand against the irrational desire to believe in something without evidence than anything else.
People want something to believe because it is instinctual for us to believe others. Belief is an important part of growing up with out dying. So as adults, people search for something to believe in, and when it doesn't make sense they tend towards agnosticism.
The burden of proof is always on the side of existence, not lack of existence. Since you cannot prove that anything doesn't exist, then agnostics technically treat god no differently from anything else that is conceivable. Which makes agnosticism a meaningless stance to have on anything. Its really more of a term for people who are either scared of god not existing, or just scared of what their friends will think of them if they say they are an atheist.
EDIT: caribe beat me to it.
I lean towards agnostic because I do not believe in the christian God. The God described by the bible and christians. Is there a 'label' for that? I give room for the possiblity of some sort of non-personal higher power - little room - but really I am probably best described as atheist.
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Piggie, I always wondered why people would claim "it's a miracle" when the survive something, even if they are really hurt. Like a living through a car wreck with broken limbs, etc. Wouldn't a miracle have been more like if the other car just floated over you rather then actually hitting you?
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and now we are full circle.pigsteak wrote:so shamis, when people talk about miracles and such, would you say these are a figment of their imaginations?
Piggie that is how religion started. Its a language, a way to explain the world around us that we don't understand.
"Climbing is the spice, not the meal." ~ Lurkist