Flash Effort

[pigsteak]

...".yet too weak to compete in the sport climbing arena."

at least you got that right.

[512OW]

Sure. Just like the rock tells you where to go in any type of climbing. The crack isn't added by other climbers. It was there in the beginning...

Talk about redefining geology. What do you say about that Dr. Ho?

The big man had the foresight to create those cracks "in the beginning" huh? Was that one of the displays you saw at your fieldtrip to theCreationist Museum? I guess he knew there would be people out there that itchin' to scale vertical wall, tempt gravity, yet too weak to compete in the sport climbing arena.

It was there in the beginning as we know it. I can only think of one established crack that was manmade.

And who are you to say that God is a man?

Besides, if you think the crack tells you which way to go, its obvious your trad skills are highly lacking. Don't get so defensive. Its your own fault that you're too weak to compete in the all around climbing arena.

[512OW]

Doesn't the crack tell you where to go in trad climbing?

Sure. Just like the rock tells you where to go in any type of climbing. The crack isn't added by other climbers. It was there in the beginning...

What an idiotic statement....

Then you can't onsight in trad? Just curious - not being smart.

I had this friend who used every non chalked crimp next to well chalked jugs on classic routes like Fuzzy. Is that onsighting or just goofy? Actually, isn't hold discovery a frequent occurence in sport climbing? It often means a lower grade for the route though.

You can still onsight. There are very few one pitch climbs with which you can't stand on the ground and pick out the line.... sport or trad, chalk or not. You gather what you can, but have to change plans on the fly, if necessary. Its all the same. There really is very little difference between trad and sport, other than the protection. I've used every trad skill I have while sport climbing, and every sport skill I have while trad climbing. Its ALL rockclimbing. Just depends on how well rounded you want to be...

What your friend did is called training.

[Meadows]

Unintentional training - he just got on a path and didn't look around.

Its ALL rockclimbing. Just depends on how well rounded you want to be...

As Steph Forte said when she tried trad, "I thought that I wanted to be a well rounded climber, so I climbed trad. I realized then that I would rather be a well rounded person." Meaning, she wasn't happy with it.

[pigsteak]

come on meadows....I am big enough to admit that sport climbing is for losers like myself who don't/won't/can't gather the required skills to be solid at the same grade on gear.

(man, I hope yasmeen doesn't read this thread, or I am toast.)

[Yasmeen]

Thanks, Kipp, but it's not as fun when you know the blows are coming and have time to duck. I'll wait.

[Pru]

I <3 Yasmeen!

[Yasmeen]

Right back at you, hot stuff.

[Pru]

oooh, thanks for the upgrade!