why the conflict?

Post by **Alex3000** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:20 pm

There's this newfangled thing called "recycling" I heard about. I'm not sure what the deal is with it, but maybe you could throw those renewal cards in there?

Post by **anticlmber** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:28 pm

recycling?? isn't that when you ride the same trail again. "Yeah bill and I decided to recycle that trail we did last week."

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:19 pm

now come on alex..please think thru your kneejerk libbie biased response...

why in the world make people recycle crap that is produced when the rational thing to do would be to not print it in the first place? you are asking me to take their supposely green stance and make it mine. their responsibility should start at home, and not print such excessive waste in the first place.

so lead me thru this....give me 7 recylced renewal cards that I am telling you I don't need, spend the energy sending them to me, and then watch me put them back in the recycling bin to be recycled for the next issue which has 7 more re-recycled renewal cards....

brilliant. there is this newfangled thing called "commonsense" I heard about.

Post by **Spragwa** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:31 pm

For once, I agree with Piggie. It irks me too when I donate $20 to a nonprofit and they turn around and inundate me with $100 worth of schwag and mail. Keep the freakin money!

Post by **dmw** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:42 pm

I do this thing now where I just re-write stuff that I think is funny, such as : Knee-Jerk Libbie

hee hee

Post by **rhunt** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:45 pm

Save those dmw and we'll turn them in route names....

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:46 pm

come on sprag...you agree with me ALL the time...you just don't know how to express your love....

dmw...libs are usually the rational beasts that are futuristic in their thinking of our country and our environment..it is the neo cons that don't care if we pillage the countryside for future generations...a knee jerk lib is an anomaly.

Post by **Alex3000** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:57 pm

Blatantly true, Piggie, I agree with you on that count. And I am a flaming "libbie" full of biased responses (we "libbies", like redheads and the term Firecrotch, have reclaimed the term and are now proud and strong!). But a capitalistic economic system (and the psychology a capitalistic economic system breeds) requires growth. If you're not growing, you're dying, or at least those are investors' thoughts, and investors are the ones behind the advertisements that are the money behind the mag. So yes, they should not include renewal cards in issues going out to subscribers, it's dumb. And yes, they should change the whole renewal system to be paperless (and, gradually, they probably will, but so will the magazine be electronic) but until then why get all angsty? Just throw it in the recycling bin.

Spragwa, it makes me happy that with the nonprofit you help run, donors can decline the schwag and the RRGCC can keep the money. That's changing the system from within, durnit.

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:06 pm

alex...piggie is full of angst. I actually wasn't even complaining because of the environmental impact. I was complaining because in my fragile state, it takes alot of energy to stoop over and pick these up off the floor...and with short finger nails, have you ever tried to actually get underneath one of these?

Post by **rhunt** » Fri May 18, 2007 6:10 pm

I hate it when I am sitting on the toilet reading my favorite climbing rag and one of those stupid ads falls on my junk...DAMIT!