Tick Spray

[krampus]

If A > B and F is afraid that A > F because F = D. But really F > A because D > C and A < C
It's that simple

Unless of course B > C

[Pru]

Whether it's impact or not, some arguments are not worth losing harmony between people.

says you.

Chriss is very much a respectful climber, whether he brushes his marks off or not (it doesn't matter to me that people don't, although I laugh when big jugs are ticked).

Many would argue that not brushing tick marks is disprespectful. In fact, that's the whole point of this discussion.

If you really feel impassioned about brushing, take your gospel to the cliff and encourage people to see the value in it. Rancorous, name-calling, pig-headed approaches are better left to the bible thumping christian evangelists on college campuses.

You'll get a more positive response. It's that simple.

Maybe. Maybe not. Assholes who don't care about the visual impact they leave behind, be it trash, tick marks, pockets full of chalk, or big steaming piles of shit just off the trail are not super receptive in my experience.

[Saxman]

although I laugh when big jugs are ticked

Insert insensitive joke here.

[Alan Evil]

I agree with the tick marks = gymn climbing remark.

The chalk left on the rock from previous climbers doesn't always mark an actual hold. How many times have you reached for a chalky spot and found it just looked like a hold?

I also agree with the statement that tick marks look worse than chalk on handholds. Chalk on handholds is a smudge, tick marks are straight lines and are usually very bright because someone hung there and rubbed them in.

Again, why do you need to ruin the next climber's experience by leaving your marks?

[Jeff]

Tick marks are an eyesore about like someone throwing trash out of their car window.
There are tick marks on everything any more.
I guess in some circles it's the "cool" thing to do.

[Wes]

Fuck you bunch of whiny assed bitches. Tick marks are not "trash" you just want to feel like you are cooler and more new age touchy feely at-one-with-the-rocks and trees bullshit. It isn't that big of a deal, just another thing for people to bitch about to make themselves feel better. I tick the shit out of routes I am working, never brush them off, and really don't give a fuck what you think about it. So, in short, fuck off, and if they bother you brush them off, or you could just get over yourselves and go climb. And I always laugh at the people talking down about gym climbing. Fuck, I have had sessions at CT Cinci and Ray and Michelle's that were way more fun then many, many days at the red. So, get over your smug, my-shit-don't-stink, holier then thou, displaced morals bull shit and try to enjoy life a little bit more without the chip on your shoulder...

[Pru]

says the guy who spends more time brushing than most anyone else I know.

[Wes]

Hell yeah, I brush the holds so that I can hang on better, not because I care what it looks like! 8)

[mcrib]

I once saw L and R ticked on the crimps at the top of AWOL. I have never considered myself particularly holy, I do like the Talking Heads which may make me a bit new age but that shit is stupid. Do you have so much trouble remembering a route that Left hand here and right hand there is required. And just because your good days happen in the gym doesn't mean I should have to scrub off your tick marks.

[Paul3eb]

[Y]ou bunch.. are cooler and more..at-one-with-the-rocks and trees... It isn't that big of a deal.. for people to.. make themselves feel better. I.. shit out of routes.. [N]ever.. really.. fuck.. [T]hink about it. And I always laugh at the people.. gym climbing. Fuck.. sessions.. So.. my-shit-don't-stink, [I'm] holier then thou, displaced morals..[I'll] try to enjoy life a little bit more without the chip on [my] shoulder...

doesn't that feel better now?

lesson to be learned from this redundant thread: the golden rule is still pretty damn golden - do unto others as you would have them do unto you. specifically to the above response, if you enjoy climbing more because you can hold on better, maybe someone would enjoy climbing more because the tick marks are gone.

both are arbitrary.. no matter how "true" a line is, most all of climbing is contrived anyway. you go up, you come down. even if you do get to the top, you probably didn't need to get up there anyway. and you probably will have to hike quite a ways to get back down. but can't we just, i don't know.. maybe respect each other..? maybe make the smallest, slightest effort to do something for someone else..?

nah, forget it.. what was i thinking?! i mean, there's no evidence that we do that in this community. i mean, there's never been fundraisers for buying land for the community, people going out of their way to help people when they're down, support the families in the area, never been anyone who's taken time and energy to teaching people about climbing, the web, life.. i mean, i've never seen anyone here give a belay when they didn't want to, go to a crag they hate, drive extra to do a favor, pick up a dinner tab, lend a shoulder..

threads like this are pretty ironic to me.. the red really does have a great community. i honestly don't know one that comes together as quickly, strongly, and effectively as this one does but we get all worked about about some of the littlest stuff. maybe it's our way of pretending that we're not as touchy-feely as we are..?

well, whatever works i guess