Guides at the Red

Post by **cat** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:10 pm

I'm going to the Gorge at the end of June and hoping to possibly find a guide. If you all know of any guides at the gorge, if you could let me know that would be appreciated. If you have their URL, phone number, or anything else that would be great.

Matt

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:16 pm

cat,
I sent you a private message.

If anyone else is interested I do guided and instructional climbing and rappelling. Email me at bigcountry55r@yahoo.com for more details.

Thanks,
Chris

Post by **Bruisebrother** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:57 pm

Yo, Wicked Tribe you registered with the Forest Service? Hope so! You should be setting a good example for the out of town Guides frequenting the Gorge!

Post by **Gretchen** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:30 am

Yeah he has a special use permit.

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:31 am

Yep, been through all the proper channels. Been guiding since '98 in RRG.

Post by **Bruisebrother** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:12 am

Thought so Chris. However, in the past few years several Guides have been working in the Gorge unpermitted! Breaking F.S. Regs. and threatening our privilege to climb in the Daniel Boone Nat. Forest. They will no longer be tolerated! (Bruise Brothers Mtn. Club)

Post by **Wicked Tribe** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 9:38 am

What you going to do? Break their kneecaps?

If you really want to do some good, every time you see a huge group of college kids from a place like Miami University or Iowa Tech Christian driving around in their caravan of 15 passenger vans stop them and ask them politely if they have a special use permit. These groups need to have them too, even if they are not making a profit. They won't be charged like a commmercial guide but the FS will be able to regulate their use somewhat.

For instance, my permit says that I am not allowed to park a 15 passenger van at Fortress wall. I am allowed to guide there, just not park a big vehicle. How many times have you been to Fortress and seen a couple big ole buses parked there?

They need to be in the system. They need to know the regulations and be aware of any restrictions placed on other guideservices.

That and they're ultra obnoxious most of the time, taking over crags for the day, trampling large swaths of vegetation like a herd of buffalo with the leaders spraydogging like the devil himself. Do your part, turn em in!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:38 am

Wicked Tribe you are right on and I think several of us intend to make this a priority of the CAC.

Post by **Bruisebrother** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:19 am

Wicked, you're right about the groups with vans! And like Lynne said they shall be targeted also, along with others breaking Regulations and threatening our privilege to climb. Kneecap attacks are for repeat ofenders. It's easy enough to get names and vehicle tag numbers and report them to the F.S. Everyone who climbs in and loves the Gorge should be active and vocal in this. The F.S. with limited $ and manpower wish the Climbing community to be self managed as much as possible!