10 Steps to Fascism

[gulliver]

No, we left that bunch in the 60's. That's what Zell Miller was railing about when he became the Republican's darling and key note speaker. Just like LBJ said when he signed the Civil Rights bill, " I've just lost the south". We don't particularly want them back either.

That's a pretty odd bunch collecting at the RNC. Lincoln sure as hell wouldn't know them.

[Crankmas]

if we are at war in Iraq why in the hell are B-52s not bombing the piss out of Sadr City instead of our guys driving around with targets on their backs? Day mentions our way of war is expensive well lets spend some cash or bring em back

[L K Day]

That would be be OK by me. Of course, Mr. Evil thinks the U.S. is already indiscriminately bombing the piss our of everything in sight, whereas I think we have practiced a level of restraint that is difficult to understand.

[Andrew]

Let me sum it up this way. I think the U.S. government has their priorities crooked.

[Day]

Check this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18399374/site/newsweek/? nav=slate?from=rss

[tomdarch]

More information is coming out about Al-Hadi. He was apprehended while trying to enter Iraq fron Iran, and is thought to have devised the plan for the July 7th bombings in London. Hmm, a former Major in Saddam's army, working for Al Qaeda since long before the invasion of Iraq, most recently harboring in Iran. But of course there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, or Iran and Al Qaeda, either. Everybody knows that.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 717571.ece

Perhaps you can explain the following statement by White House Spokesman and former Fox "News" agent Tony Snow earlier today:

Well, wait a minute, Chris. The president has been saying exactly that all along, so I don't know what the headline is ... The fact is, the president made it clear before the State of the Union in 2002 that there was no link between Saddam Hussein and September 11.

You said above that the invasion of Iraq was to prevent "another 9/11". Given that in his decades as a violent, hands-on-torturing, mass murdering psychopath, (and part-time US ally) Sadam never planned or aided any attacks on US civilians (and, no, a former commander in chief of the US military is not a civilian), how could his remaining in power in Iraq would have caused al Qaeda to make another succesful attack on civilians in the borders of the US? Be specific, please.

(oops - edit: I forgot to mention - you linked to an article in "The Times" (aka "The Times of London"). It's a Rupert Murdoch/News Corp entity. Yes, it's Fox "News" in print. Mmmmm! High quality journalism!)

[tomdarch]

Check this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18399374/site/newsweek/? nav=slate?from=rss

Huh? Are "Day" and "L K Day" the same person?

If so, this is a strange link. Read the letter calling for his return of the medal. Here's a highlight:

You were not a victim. You were a willing participant in a poorly considered policy to start an unnecessary war and you share culpability with Dick Cheney and George Bush for the debacle in Iraq.

You are not alone in failing to speak up and protest the twisting and shading of intelligence. Those who remained silent when they could have made a difference also share the blame for not protesting the abuse and misuse of intelligence that occurred under your watch. But ultimately you were in charge and you signed off on the CIA products and you briefed the President.

They are saying that Tennant was a witting co-conspirator (or at least inexcusably silent) in the obviously unjustified invasion of Iraq. He knew better that Sadam and al Quaeda were not linked and that there was no real threat to the US from Iraqi WMDs, and didn't blow the whistle. Furthermore, he left the administration before the 2004 presidential election, and could have helped America and the soldiers who would later die or be maimed in Iraq if he had spoken up and added critical facts to the election debate.

[gulliver]

What a picture. I wonder if the WH received any of those mailed back to them, ala the Beatles getting their MBE's from the queen.

So, was he naive like Chamberlain? or the good soldier, Ollie?, or is he just a Robert Ford?

[L K Day]

Tomdarch-
Day and L K Day are one and the same. I just don't know how to defeat the feature that keeps me from posting from different URLs under the same name. I hope I explained that correctly.

I linked to the article on Tennant, not in an effort to bolster my argument, but because I thought you might find it of interest.

The bit about al-Hadi's interconnections with Iran, Iraq and al Qaeda was an effort to show how difficult it is to know "for sure" almost anything in this troubled region of the world.

Sharp eye on catching the "stop the next 9/ll" statement. I saw it on rereading my post but decided not to edit. It would have been more accurate to say "Bush believed that it was necessary to invade Iraq to prevent Sadam from being the source of the next 9/ll". This is not to say that Bush believed Sadam had any role in the first 9/ll. One thing you touched on was Sadam's effort to assasinate Bush the elder AFTER Iraq's surrender in the first gulf war. This is something that the news has given almost no coverage. Few people are aware that Sadam tried to have a former U.S. President murdered. This alone proves to me that Sadam remained a dire threat.

Finally, sorry, but not only is a former commander in chief a civilian, but the current commander in chief is a civilian. It is one of the main principles of our system of government.

[Crankmas]

I did not have inappropiate relations with that woman Miss Lewinsky in fact I loath the military and I'm so fucking stupid I did not even inhale.