Were they on leashes?Andrew wrote:Here is how my weekend went.
Andrew: "Hey yasmeen nice onsite on that 5.9"
Andrew on his onsight attempt: "How the hell did you do this Yasmeen, take!"
Andrew: "God I suck at life"
Yasmeen: "Hey since I have hung the draws on everything why don't you hang this route?"
Andrew: "i guess"
Andrew struggling before the crux: "Shut those dogs up, there ruining my onsight on this 10a." "God dang its hot", "My feet hurt", " I wanna go home".
Anyway, I constantly heard screaching dogs all day at the crag, it sounded like someone was running some sort of dog fighting tournament in muir valley.
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easy, leave em at home once in awhile and for heavens sake obey the freaking rules in place for whatever land your using...... our dog now only comes with us if we are going somewhere that hardly ever sees traffic and for sure wont be busy. dogs will be the reason most climbing areas get shut down, well let me rephrase that, humans with dogs that dont know how to control them or leave them at home once in a blue moon will be the reason climbing areas get closed in the future. you and your pet will survive 1 day away from each other i promise.ElectricDisciple wrote:I know some will hate this topic, but how do we as climbers police ourselves better with respect to bringing our canine companions a 'craggin?
as always, respect and a little common sense people. hmmmm, lets see, 300 routes open for absolutely ZERO cost to you and you cant follow one of the very few rules rick has in place. thats sad.
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ElectricDisciple wrote:I know some will hate this topic, but how do we as climbers police ourselves better with respect to bringing our canine companions a 'craggin?
that's a perfect example of the type of climbers we all need to be..Andrew wrote:I think Yasmeen needs to put on a clinic on how to ask people to follow rules. She was very polite, and to the point. Not only that but people didn't even seem offended and actually talked to us a lot after the scolding. Very effective.
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Sounds familiar Rick & Liz, I know this is not your first postig on this issue. I put up signs for no dogs past the BBQ tent this weekend. This is based on a Health Department Request. Sure enough, I drive up, a family is sitting there, directly beneath a brand new sign stating "Please No Dogs" with their dog on the picnic table. I took a picture and had to laugh. People have no respect anymore for rules, signs, or courtesy to others. I might just start serving dog at the BBQ. We will see how they like the taste of that. Kathy put Please in front, because dog owners did not obey the signs I put up at Torrent without the "Please". Whether your nice or not, it does not matter. Again it is not the poor dogs fault. Dogs can be trained.
Best of Luck,
Mark
Best of Luck,
Mark
Hey Mark, I have two that we can experiment with. BBQ dogleg sounds good and would surely be filling...good climber's meal.
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A lot of the dogs I heard were across the valley. All day saturday there were dogs screeching and they weren't even at the cliff I was at, so I have no clue if they were leashed.
It kind of sucks that you have to listen to dogs fight all day even if you are by your self at a crag. Its bad enough having to listen to my own crappy beta.
It kind of sucks that you have to listen to dogs fight all day even if you are by your self at a crag. Its bad enough having to listen to my own crappy beta.
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If you made the rule no dogs, that would probally cut down on the number of people coming to muir valley and hopefully help with impact.
I love my dog, but rarely bring her out climbing. She barks at everything, and tries to eat people. The last thing I want to deal with while I'm out climbing is dogs barking, running over your rope etc.
I usually see people with their dogs unleashed at muir valley, say something, and hear something back about them not liking to leash up their dogs. Go somewhere else then! It really is that easy.
I love my dog, but rarely bring her out climbing. She barks at everything, and tries to eat people. The last thing I want to deal with while I'm out climbing is dogs barking, running over your rope etc.
I usually see people with their dogs unleashed at muir valley, say something, and hear something back about them not liking to leash up their dogs. Go somewhere else then! It really is that easy.
I love my dog and that's why I leave her at home when climbing. I constantly see leashless dogs in Muir Valley, which is damaging to the environment, dangerous for the dogs (if my dog were there leashed and they ran up to her quickly) and incredibly annoying when you are belaying someone and there's a dog running over your rope and trying to find the food in your pack. As everyone has said, the problem is not the dogs, it's their owners. It's hard to understand why people can't follow the rules that are clearly posted and that they agree to when signing the waiver. If they violate the dog leash rule and are warned, their access should be revoked. Please everyone, don't risk an incredible climbing location by violating the rules. Thank you, Webers, for bringing these problems to our attention so we can all help enforce the rules.