Climbing Permit

Post by **Crankmas** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:00 pm

is RRO gonna be open tomorrow morning? 12/9

Post by **captain static** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:01 pm

BOHICA

Post by **Toad** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:10 pm

ad nauseum

Post by **McDowell** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:16 pm

If someone started charging for climbing in the red then eventually it would be a sport only for the rich. The price will only go up over time leading to more and more people not having the funds to climb. Just look at the price hike for Denali and that price is only for climbers. Hikers pay a separate and smaller fee. It is all ready starting to get costly just driving for some people.

Also, I really donâ€™t give a crap about torrent closing. They could charge all they wanted for people to climb there and the climbs would still be a pile.

Post by **gunslnga** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:48 pm

Wow, one moment everyone is thanking and or consoling Mark for his ultimate decision on the Torrent Falls issue, and the next he's shredded by the same people.... No need to name names, but if the 5.10 fits, then wear it, were all supposed to be adults here, I think anyway. Mark, according to the moral majority on here, myself included, has near Saint status, and with all the understanding and compassion given to him reguarding his recent dilemma, Should'nt he deserve better?? Damn, Mark went from Martyr to Villian in the speed of a lan line. I think his idea stems from a collective of all the questions, opinions, and ideas already presented here. A while back, in a similar thread, there were several ideas , opinions, plans, etc etc. with waivers, fines, donations, violence, permits, fee's, self policing and so on, as ways to solve the problem, at the time these all seemed valid, until the facts and laws presented themselves. Now when Mark, reguardless of his so called"agendas' proposes a similar idea, formed from bits and pieces of actual posts by others on here, and again, for whatever reason, he's vehemently attacked for it. I'm not as much Marks friend as some of you, but he's been nothing but cool to me and my family. I believe that if a person has never done me wrong, how could I act that way towards him, and not even to his face, but on the internet of all places, thats real cool..........

Post by **john e aragon** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:24 pm

I ain't paying to climb there. I stopped camping there when they started charging and i will go somewhere else to climb if they charge.

Post by **john e aragon** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:30 pm

I did pay to climb just not directly. Gas, food, beer, gear, all bought in the Red, (Mark's barbeque rocks) but the New River has all that and no climbing user fees.

Post by **ynot** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:30 pm

Gunny, I think they are all a bit testy cause they can't get out and climb and burn off some aggresion.

Post by **anticlmber** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:32 pm

Nobody said fees were being taken. its a hypothetical question. great representation by some of you. "tresspass", "paying takes away from the adventure" are you for real. You driving your overpriced, gas-guzzling, A/C having, SUFukStik down a paved road, to park as close to the cliff as possible, while you whine the whole five minute walk in your Italian leather, moonboots, (cuz there gore-tex) so you can wait in line to climb some over chalked, over bolted, tick marked to hell, pile of shit while some guy sprays you,(and everyone else) down with bad-beta, as his dog barks uncontrollably after eating your lunch and pissing on your rope. yeah that "money" i have to "maybe" pay to climb sure takes the thrill out of it. You want adventure WALK from wherever you're from while screaming racial slurs in the projects. THAT is adventure. But dont say money kills the adventure. AS for tresspassin. Bullet in the ass mean anything to you?

Post by **flashmaster** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:49 pm

you can put your bullet in my ass anytime for tresspassing!!