AMEN.RRO wrote:
he gave the general community a chance, we blew it. im sure most people on this board and climbers that have been around awhile did try and did make a short term difference but the red is growing so fast and torrent is so popular it was destined to fail.
i hope that this issue makes everyone see that support is needed for private land owners such as RRGCC
2 F-ing dollars a day...it adds up, and if you ain't got it, you better be skinny
and Muir, they need our whole hearted support. if climbers own it, it wont be closed . even that statement has many what ifs, look at arena and oil crag. but areas like that are our only "guranted" climbing options and thats where the general public can help the most. also make your voice heard with the state and national forest. changes are happening people. its up to us to fix it.
climbing IS NOT owed to us, its not free and it not a constitutional right . all i can say is get involved or dont bitch when your favorite route/crag is closed.
Climbing at Torrent
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Cliff Heindel
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'really ?' -fluffy
In my opinion the climbing community's efforts and earnings would be much better spent by giving it to Team Suck or helping to develop the Southern Region.weber wrote:Donations to Muir are never solicited but are gratefully accepted from those who realize that it takes a great deal physical effort and money to build and maintain the infrastructure required to offer a free climbing venue of this size. We continue to welcome climbers who do not feel inclined to make a monetary donation or volunteer effort. We are pleased with the donations during the first three years of MV’s existance – especially generous donations of labor and technical expertise as well as money.
Liz and Rick
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"Those iron spikes you use have shortened the life expectancy of the Totem Pole by 50,000 years."
--A Navaho elder
--A Navaho elder
you mean "clique".OB Juan wrote:Amazing, you all run your little click like a bag of assholes. If you conduct yourselves in public anything like you conduct yourselves on this board it's easy to see why no one would listen to you or pay attention, much less try to read or participate on this board.
if you conduct yourself in public the way behave on this board, it's easy to see why no one would listen to you.
i hope some day we meet at miguel's or rro and we talk and, after getting to know you, you find out who i am on this board. or for that matter for the same scenario to happen with nearly anyone that posts in this forum. it'd be almost comical how quickly your perspective would change on everything you've read and said.
and great loves will one day have to part -smashing pumpkins
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soccerfast007
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the worst part of all this is, now Stewy (mason), my roomate is cracking open a beer at 9:21am while at work, to cope with all the slanderous speech being slung so spastically as of late. go for the medication mase, not the alcohol, blame the deed, not the breed, although jackasses as a genus have been the catalyst for much heartache/devastation in the world. look at north korea, now that is a mess.
I am curious if there can be some regulations, or perhaps more appropriately reparations made to Mark (the owner of Torrent) and some safeguards that can be discussed to curtail future grievances if we are allowed to continue climbing at Torrent, while have i yet to make it to that region it seems packed with classics and would be a shame to lose for lack of trying/compromising/or counseling. Trust is a 2-way street, and we need to acknowledge when we fuck up (excuse the french) and make adequate emendations. i for one dont' want to go quietly into that good night.
I am curious if there can be some regulations, or perhaps more appropriately reparations made to Mark (the owner of Torrent) and some safeguards that can be discussed to curtail future grievances if we are allowed to continue climbing at Torrent, while have i yet to make it to that region it seems packed with classics and would be a shame to lose for lack of trying/compromising/or counseling. Trust is a 2-way street, and we need to acknowledge when we fuck up (excuse the french) and make adequate emendations. i for one dont' want to go quietly into that good night.
"well Sco doesn't have my peripheral vision" - mason allen reminding us all that our peripheral vision often overlooks creepy crawlers and flying things.
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soccerfast007
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I'm surprised Torrent has been open for so long. How many requests and warnings does it take? Mark has been exceptionally patient... much more so than I would have been. The first time I asked you not to shit in my yard and you do it anyway I would tell you not to come back. But what does he do? Provides a portable toilet. If you refused to donate a couple of bucks to enjoy my property (although I have nothing to offer in my backyard) and you refused - basically saying "f... you, I can do what I want", I'd tell you to stay off or I'd call the cops.
And for those who wouldn't feel comfortable approaching another climber about putting a dog on a leash, parking where permited, or respecting any other rule/request of the property owner, how is it you have the balls go get on this board and tell people what idiots they are and throw insults at them left and right? Oh yeah, it's safe here. They're not standing in front of you. Where are those massive balls when this board isn't hidding you?
No one but Mark knows his situation. No one has any right to tell him what he should or shouldn't do with his personal property. We should respect him enough to show our support in his decision as a business man regarless of how it affects us personally. Having seen once again the consequences of our self-centeredness, will we really continue with our same behavior? That's a sure sign of stupidity!
I've owned and operated my own business. I know that Mark and his family are the only ones qualified to make this decision. Any speculation that you know better than they do is pure arrogance. I'm proud of Mark for making a very difficult decision and standing his ground. We all had more than enough time to change our ways, so what are we going to learn from this? I wish them the best and fully support them. So what kind of climbing "community" do we really have here at the RRG? Time will tell. So far, a pretty sucky one.
And for those who wouldn't feel comfortable approaching another climber about putting a dog on a leash, parking where permited, or respecting any other rule/request of the property owner, how is it you have the balls go get on this board and tell people what idiots they are and throw insults at them left and right? Oh yeah, it's safe here. They're not standing in front of you. Where are those massive balls when this board isn't hidding you?
No one but Mark knows his situation. No one has any right to tell him what he should or shouldn't do with his personal property. We should respect him enough to show our support in his decision as a business man regarless of how it affects us personally. Having seen once again the consequences of our self-centeredness, will we really continue with our same behavior? That's a sure sign of stupidity!
I've owned and operated my own business. I know that Mark and his family are the only ones qualified to make this decision. Any speculation that you know better than they do is pure arrogance. I'm proud of Mark for making a very difficult decision and standing his ground. We all had more than enough time to change our ways, so what are we going to learn from this? I wish them the best and fully support them. So what kind of climbing "community" do we really have here at the RRG? Time will tell. So far, a pretty sucky one.
