oz, no offense but nope you didnt learn. 8)OZ wrote:I've learned a few things...
Don't ever rag on somebody that might have done something that could have caused an access issue because they really didn't cause a problem anyway.
Despite all the access problems we have in the area, we shouldn't take steps
to insure that things perceived as overly dangerous are not done.
Sport climbing is more dangerous than soloing. Thus, when I solo at Muir I should be safer than when roped. I should be - the % says so.
rag all you want to them. in person but make it a discussion not a lecture. the land owner would have NEVER known about the solo had the peanut gallery on here not brought it to national attention. x and r trad routes get done daily. solos in the area are done weekly. people skip bolts, people take victory whips, people speed to the cliff, people dont pay attention when belaying. many dangers are happening as i type. yes we can try to control them but you cannot and will never be able to tell people how to climb. if you want to rant, rag on things that WILL close the cliff . out of anyone on this board i do all i can to help keep areas open, your preaching to the choir.
soloing will not close the cliff. many other actions that are in our control to stop will. read above.
no, soloing is the MOST dangerous game a climber can play. the people that play it are usually skilled enough mentally and physically to pull it off. i never said it was safer, only that a less % of people doing it will ever get hurt or die. how many climbing accidents in the gorge have you heard or read about ? how many involved solos ? imo, soloing on corbin sandstone is just asking for something to happen. but thats me, greg or anyone does not have to climb how i or you climb or how i or you think climbing should be. thats the joys of this game we play.
edited: not wanting to be a hippocrite, im done with my share of keeping this thread rolling in the public view. if you do want to talk ethics, access or midgets mud wrestling with horatio please pm or email.
no fair having a dual identity.