It just kills me........Southern Region

Post by **Gretchen** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:18 pm

I just found out on Friday that the info pass took place. Remember we are a volunteer based organization at this point, so we do have lives out side of all this bullshit. That decision tchnically was not endorsed by the RRGCC per say because it was not discussed in an official meeting. Despite what you may thing, our meetings cover alot more ground than us just sitting around discuss "what is SCIN going to do next?"

Post by **SCIN** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:34 pm

You say that as if I would obtain some sort of gratification if you did discuss "what is SCIN going to do next?". That does nothing for me.

I can't believe you call that which you take so seriously "bullshit".

Post by **Gretchen** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:38 pm

I think that the work we do is very significant and necessary. All the time spent dealing with rumors, etc is bullshit. What gratifies you is the least of my concerns.

Post by **SCIN** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:45 pm

I don't think the fact that some of the members can't approach someone in a non threatful and disrespectful manner when they want a favor is bullshit.

I was completely willing to help out when the first request came from John. Now I'm caught between a rock and a hard place because one side of me says "Fuck that asshole lurkist for talking shit about the guide like he's some Ron Kauk or something." yet another side says "I'd love to help out as much as I can so the RRGCC can secure the land".

Post by **Jack** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:52 pm

Why doesn't a representative of the RRGCC who has spoken with the head of this organization, say Gretchen, apologize on behalf of the RRGCC for one of its members misrepresenting the coalition. It seems like a simple situation. One member of a group takes it upon themselves to cast the entire group in a bad light. The group as a whole should correct that member and apologize to those that have been inconvenienced.

I can't imagine anyone holding hard feelings against the RRGCC for a rogue member, but if the only vocal members just point fingers, then the "organization" appears fractured and irresponsible. Everyone knows the RRGCC is doing many important jobs in the Red that don't get much publicity, but it's still important to fix the bad publicity, especially here where it is as simple as an apology.

Post by **Gretchen** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:54 pm

Frankly the thought of approaching you to help the RRGCC via the online guide was not talked about organization wide. That decision was made seperately.. We are still working very hard at establishing the goals, tasks and outcomes and what we forsee in the long run for the Murray property. The is not a simple decision to be made lightly. We have no problem to approach you, non-aggressively. When was the last time that I jumped your shit about the on-line guide? It has been quite awhile. We are looking and weighing all the options.

I believe the decision was made to approach you due to the fact that with the latest article written, more exposure to the Souther n region has been made nationally. This will be the largest land purchase made specifially for climbing needs. We don't tkae this lightly. THere certainly is a need to rraise a lot of money to secure this land. Not just the money for the down payment, but also for the monthly payments as well. HTis is not a one shot deal. This is a very long term commitment! We need to stress the need for ongoing donations. If you can come up with a better plan, please let us know!

Post by **Spragwa** » Wed May 07, 2003 3:57 pm

Gretchen would never stop apologizing for members of the coalition. In the past, others have talked serious smack about climbers behind their backs without having the nerve to approach them and ask about certain behaviors. In those instances, the Lurkist is the only member who had the nerve and common decency to approach the "rogue climbers."

Perhaps the Lurkist and Scin should work it out on their own. They are both good guys who obviously need to blow off steam. They'll resolve it on their own.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed May 07, 2003 4:05 pm

I nominate Johnny for King!

Post by **SCIN** » Wed May 07, 2003 4:07 pm

I do too man.

Post by **Wes** » Wed May 07, 2003 4:17 pm

I think it is important to seperate personal opinions from RRGCC opinions. Like, I might say things that reflect the way I think, not what the RRGCC thinks. There is an official line, then there is the ablity to speek as individuls. Sometimes, people who are part of the RRGCC say things, and people assume that is the RRGCC position, but that is not always the case. For example, Lurkest's letters and comments to the climbing Mags, were his personal thoughts, NOT the position of the CAC, since none of that was brought before us to vote on.

Respect needs to flow both ways for anything to work well.

Wes