I don't know what it's called any more......

Post by **Feanor007** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:13 pm

allah wrote:I dont blame the lazy ass route stealers, I blame their parents for not raising them to work hard for what they want and not respecting others hard work and doing and for just being fucking bums

and an education system that has exchanged self-respect for self-esteem

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Post by **the lurkist** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:46 pm

I'll take a shot at that question, 20 pts. is 20 pts.

Bolt Route - Otto Mock - 1969

BTW- Is that a sport route? Is that the one on the back side of Court House? I took that single star drive out with my bare hands in 1992.
I was thinking of Close to the Edge by your friend and mine, Martin Hackworth. I use that one as the first sport route b/c Hackworth bolted the face that wouldn't be protected otherwise and I think he did it on rappel. Shocking!

Post by **Zspider** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:03 am

Feanor007 wrote:

and an education system that has exchanged self-respect for self-esteem

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Well-said.

ZSpider

Post by **Artsay** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:20 am

allah wrote:I dont blame the lazy ass route stealers, I blame their parents for not raising them to work hard for what they want and not respecting others hard work and doing and for just being fucking bums

Ya know, man....what you just said was my first thought when I read Dario's initial post. It's not just climbing that's getting pissed on; It's everywhere in life and I think it's because parents suck and are lazy educators and mentors. Just tonight Yasi and I were talking about how we wish more parents could be like the Loefflers.

BTW, does ZSpider's negligence of the quote button drive anyone else crazy besides me?

Post by **SCIN** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:48 am

I don't think people are changing. I think it's due to an increased population at the crags therefore an increased chance that some shitty stuff is going to occur.

Post by **pigsteak** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:14 am

well said SCIN..just the law of averages. climbers are no better than the rest of the world. you see trash along the interstate, you'll see trash at the crag. not dismissing it, just recognizing it.

Post by k9 » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:43 am

Ya know when I was a kid I was taught to leave a place cleaner than when I found it, so what's wrong with teaching that to the younger generations?

Post by **Yasmeen** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:14 pm

Artsay wrote:

BTW, does ZSpider's negligence of the quote button drive anyone else crazy besides me?

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What are you talking about, Michelle?

Post by **Artsay** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:37 pm

I don't like her.

But...

Or maybe...

Oh shit, Yasi! Remember?

Post by **pigsteak** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:21 am

ok, so today meadows and I find a budweiser case at the top of the motherlode hill. shall we blame that on oil workers or climbers? my guess it is some "brah" sending hard who was too lazy to pick up his trash after posing on his rad proj at the lode...don't worry you worthless piece of sh**, we got it for you.

and just as good, at least a dozen climbing cars had to of passed it in the morning on their way to the crag, but no one picked it up.