Muir Valley or Sandy's ass - as good as they say?

Post by **Green3** » Wed May 24, 2006 3:46 pm

hearn,

Wild, Yet Tasty is far from classic. Just look at the climbs to the left and compare.

come on, ok it's a little soft, still a classic, although I agree not as good as Mercy, but not a lot is, some people knock Mercy because there's no real crux, even i think enduro routes are pretty cool

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:15 pm

just like a woman can have "classic good looks," so too can a route be a so-called "instant classic." I'm not arguing if this term has been overused, or defining what qualifies as a classic route, but a brand new route can certainly have qualities that are attributed to accepted classics.

You people have too much time on your hands.

Post by **overhung** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:19 pm

A classic is just one of those "you know it" feelings you get while on route. Pleasant Undercling/Superunknown in Morehead are both classics. I don't think anyone can quantify a classic route. It's all qualitative.

Post by **SCIN** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:20 pm

I climbed a line this weekend which is definitely classic. It is brand new but it is an instant classic. Long, big moves, big holds, and a beautiful backdrop. Nobody can tell me it isn't classic because, as we know in the climbing world, classic doesn't have to mean time tested.

Post by JB » Wed May 24, 2006 4:23 pm

this thread is CLASSIC Red River Climbing material!

Post by **Meadows** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:23 pm

I think it's silly to call something an "instant classic." I think you're all thinking of classic cars and how insurance companies classify "classic." We already have a plethora of routes up to compare/contrast. Classic doesn't fully mean that you have to wait XXX years to determine its value or to know its popularity (although you can mistakenly think a route will be popular). Just call it classic.

So who thinks Mr. Bungle is classic?

Post by **overhung** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:26 pm

I've climbed over ten million routes, so you all should just take my word on everything climbing related.

Post by **Meadows** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:26 pm

JB wrote:this thread is CLASSIC Red River Climbing material!

Not until five years later when we rank the top 10 threads.

Post by **SCIN** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:30 pm

Meadows, you're right. I was thinking exactly of classic cars and insurance companies when I gave my opinion on what "classic" meant in relation to routes. It must be because I was reading a book about insurance companies and how they classify classic last night.

Post by **SCIN** » Wed May 24, 2006 4:33 pm

overhung wrote:I've climbed over ten million routes, so you all should just take my word on everything climbing related.

Is Ro Shampo a .12a?