Victory whips

Post by **Meadows** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:24 pm

Man, all you "gimps" are just pansies. I friggen broke my ankle and was still out there. Again, you're all pansies.

Rhunt: If I ever ropegun for you, you better adjust your statistics and give me a soft catch. Thanks.

Post by **the lurkist** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:06 pm

First, it is not my gear. It was put up by climbers who were given the privilege, at no charge, to develop routes on some particularly nice rock.

So you say, but you are obviously taking responsibility for it and stipulating how it will be used.
Look, I don' think this is about VW. As stated several other times, VW are a non issue. They occur infrequently and provide minimal wear to properly placed bolts. A good belay is a good belay, regardless of the circumstances where it is needed.
Rick, why don't you clarify your position on falling on your bolts (ok, MV's bolts). Do you cringe when you see someone givin 'er and fly off of Jesus Wept?
What about, someone who is pumped at the anchors and jumps off? Where does that fall of the spectrum of what is allowable and what isn't?
Falling is part and parcel of sport climbing. Regardless of how distatseful that is to you on your property, you can't dictate a fundmental change in the nature of the sport.
And please don't chalk it up to a concern for wear on the bolts. 13 years of whippers on many bolts at other cliffs without a loose bolt or catastrophic failure is pretty sound data that falling isn't an issue on wear.

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:07 pm

meadows...pansies? who refused to get on my world class slab routes, whining about their ankle? who admitted to climbing as scared as a cheeseball during happy hour? you'll never take a REAL victory whipper.....don't delude yourself.

Post by **rhunt** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:08 pm

LOL ok meadows...deal

Man I hope I can climb soon. Tomorrow I see a doc for a second opinion on this latest shoulder crap.

Post by JB » Tue May 02, 2006 8:10 pm

actually, if you refer to the thread "JB live in Lexington", you will see that I am a "wuss" and not a "pansie"

SO HA! Take that and use it for a scruntchy on your pigtails!!

Post by **rhunt** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:12 pm

yo piggy...keep bolting those slab (piles) gems. I'll need some cheesy easy stuff to climb while I am rehabing my shoulder, you know before I can get back to the real climbing.

Post by **Meadows** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:23 pm

Piggie: I have fallen on slabby routes (on lead). nah nah nah!

Post by **the lurkist** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:03 pm

Has the RRGCC done much of anything to instruct, mentor, and teach risk management to new climbers?

And another thing, Rick. Let's not make this an us against them thing. This isn't MV vs RRGCC. I don't represent them and am not closely aligned to the BOD other than being a member of the community.

Post by **busty** » Tue May 02, 2006 10:39 pm

I don't think it really matters whether someone has said MV or PMRP or anywhere else is safe or their efforts to try to limit risk is going to encourage litigation----although saying something is "safe" could present problems in a suit (but that does not appear to have happened for the routes in the Red). If someone is already inclined to file suit, its going to happen. Everyone is ready to file a lawsuit. That's why there are so many commercials and ads for personal injury lawyers.

Post by **pigsteak** » Tue May 02, 2006 11:14 pm

me versus you lurk...the grouse versus the piglet in a death match....see who can take a victory whipper from the chains and come closest to the ground without touchdown....I'll belay you first.