Victory whips

Post by **moonbeam** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:22 pm

One of the problems with trying to instill behavior in an organized fashion to any group is that those that need the instruction the most are the least likely to recognize that they are the one's that need it.

I would say that if a new climber came up to the cliff and asked for instruction, any number of people would be willing to help. I would also say that in most instances if a newbie climber was doing something wrong then it would be pointed out. I don't think it's a "Ruckus" mentality out in the real
world.

I don't think the coalition as a body should become the climbing police. Most of us are the coalition and can take it upon ourselves to help others out if we see the need.

We survived for the past several decades - I think we can handle it.

Post by **climberbootyman** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:37 pm

moonbeam wrote:We survived for the past several decades - I think we can handle it.

Can you prove that mathmatically?

Post by **Andrew** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:04 pm

RRO, we should start a red river gorge basketball league. I know Dario is up for it.

Post by **moonbeam** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:04 pm

Only if I take take off my shoes.

Post by **tomdarch** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:23 pm

I basically agree with JB's long post on the previous page. But the reason why I think what I think sucks. Basically Rick is going above and beyond a 'cover your ass' minimum, and that might expose him to increased chance of being sued. That hugely, massively sucks. I haven't posted a similar comment to Rick, because I am in no position to criticize the fantastic things that he and the Muir folks are doing. But now that I've thought through why I think what I think, I'm totally keeping my mouth shut. Keep doing it right, Rick.

The other thing I realized about this whole thread on wether or not VWs are irresponsibly dangerous - is that this whole thing is insanely ironic. We seem to have totally forgotten that most people think that we are insanely irresponsible for climbing at all!

Post by **rhunt** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:40 pm

and in reality there are probably 2 VW's a year...if that.

Post by **charlie** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:43 pm

My apologies to Rick, Tackett, Keenan and anyone who was bummed by my thoughts in this regard. I'm ashamed I let myself get wound up and turn into one of those people.

Not climbing for 6 weeks has a significant effect on one's attitude.

Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them. ~The Dalai Lama

Post by **Spragwa** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:14 pm

Again, why won't this fucking thread die?

Post by **mcrib** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:14 pm

I know alot of people that fall intentially because they need to learn how to fall properly. Bolt failure is one of the least common ways people get hurt climbing and falling improperly is probably one of the most common. I can't believe I just participated in such a mindnumbing discussion.

Post by JB » Tue May 02, 2006 7:15 pm

charlie wrote:Not climbing for 6 weeks has a significant effect on one's attitude.

Apparently just a few days of gimpdom can inhibit judgment. my apologies to Rick as well for airing my criticism/advice here instead of in personal email... which i have sent his way. It seems that 50% of forum posts are attacks and the other ones are just interpreted that way.

From the thread: Victory Whippers and Spinners

weber wrote:But, keep in mind that they are NOT 100% SAFE!
No bolting system is, especially when you throw in the weak rock factor. If you wish to be guaranteed 100% safety, then this is not the sport for you.

Awesome. I stand corrected. Acutally, I sit... since i'm a gimp.