Loose bolt on The Rising at Muir Valley

[Guest]

oh I think Solomon has it right

[Guest]

okay, kidding aside... This thread kind of sucks. I tire of this stuff. Of course the developers at Muir and everywhere else at the RRG care about safety, and they will address these problems.

Just like everything else, there is a learning curve. This includes bolting and using loctite on quick links. I am sure these issues will all be addressed and I'm sure the developers all over the RRG want to hear about these kinds of problems.

Thanks to everyone who has the vision to see a nice line and who puts the time, energy, and money into bolting it. Thanks also to everyone who fixes things when they see problems. And as has been said so many times before, if you think something is unsafe, don't do it, and by all means, keep letting the landowners/bolters/whoever know so that the problem can be addressed.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming...

[Paul3eb]

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming...

..not quite yet..

[Guest]

I really meant 'wisecracking'...

[bentley]

See, 3 pages of crap, a waste of time.

[Paul3eb]

actually, bentley, good has come of it. if nothing else, i think people feel more comfortable posting about bolts they've noticed in a forum like this than they do pm'ing or emailing people. and if you go back, you'll see that muir is going to be doing a lot of look into some of the issues they may/may not be having in the area. and, if nothing else, people are a little more aware of it.

i'll post up those pictures you took in a few..

[dhoyne]

Climb trad, or give thanks that someone donated the money and time to set up the route in the first place. A simple email to any of the route setters to notify them is sufficient. Insulting the route setters by claiming that people are going to get hurt on their routes gets nothing done besides spreading panic.

I for one am grateful for all the hard work, time, and finances donated to those that are developing Muir Valley.

Explain to me how an immediate public notification of a very clear and present danger is insulting. This is a public notification by Terry Kindred "route setter" and fixer of routes: If anyone anywhere at anytime finds a loose bolt on a Team Suck route feel free to tighten it if you are in possession of this basic skill, if not, find someone who is. If all that fails make a public statement. I, nor any of my fellow "route setters" will be insulted.

Terry Kindred

Terry, would you find this insulting?:
"The guys that equipped that route suck. They are pansies so they added extra bolts." (exact quote from page 1)

I would. My whole point was just as I posted it, but I guess it was misinterpreted. A simple message stating the problem to the route setter avoids all this feces spewing.


...back to your regularly scheduled pissing match... (further proving my point)

[Sunshine]

No! I suck! I am team leader of Team Suck. We suck! Having said that, those other assholes are really truly assholes! Everybody knows that real climbers hammer in those ......whatever they are called things.

[ynot]

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[Toad]

dhoyne,

What happens if somebody finds a bad piece of hardware and doesn't know who to contact, or how? What if they did contact the route maker person and that person doesn't get around to fixing it right away? How would I know about the bad gear if it's only a private post? What happens if I get on it and die? Then there would be true feces spewing when I hit the ground. How would you feel about that? I know I would feel badly about it - probably worse than the person with the bruised ego that had their loose bolt called out on this forum.

Let's protect everyone's feelings at all cost! That could be one of our ethics.