you hit it on the spot exactly.itmeansgod wrote:This "drastic solution" seems like it's just a more bureaucratic method of closing Torrent. Of course, Mark should do whatever he sees fit, and it's somewhat possible that he'll close the crag entirely and tell all of his climber friends to go screw themselves, but it's much more likely that the crag's being "closed" will mean that those who know the owner will still get to climb there, and if they ask him if they can bring over a friend or two one day, he'll say yes. This still constitutes closing the crag to the general public. And while this solution isn't terrible (I have a suspicion that a lot of local people will like it, a lot of non-local people won't), or even unlikely, it's exactly what we're trying to avoid, and hopefully it will be the last resort.
actually, when i first read about this idea i shared the same thoughts and concerns of Naw about it sounding elitist from a non-local perspective. however, i think almost any solution other than keeping Torrent fully open to the public will seem unfair to the majority of climbers who are not friends with Mark. i liked some of the other ideas mentioned in the other thread more, but this one is still better than closing the crag completely (or to locals only).