I agree with you that the print media, pamphlets, signs, etc is only going to go so far. I mean a lot of this access/rule info is in the Wolverine guidebook. Don't people read that? Ryan has set aside some weekends this spring as an RRGCC representative to talk to people at Miguel's & at the crag. I will try to schedule some weekend time to do the same & also maybee do an RRGCC discussion/Q&A session behind Miguel's. Good suggestion Allah.allah wrote:What about having RRGCC meetings once amonth at miguels out back on a saturday night that way everyone that climbs at the red and stays at miguels will be able to participate and have a little say in what happens and what is going on. We as climbers arent totally informed on what is happening all the time. expecially the ones that dont check out the Message Board. it would be great that during the peak seasons that we have a meeting once or twice a month at miguels to bring about these issues. And if people dont want to listen the the coalition then we get a bunch of guns and make them listen
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"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
The sware words need to stop. But I think you are going to get alot more cooperation out of people who have alot more stake in loosing these climbing areas. I think that's the point I'm trying to make, and the piggie is trying to make into me saying the people from out of town suck, is that if you are driving six hours to climb in the red and cliffs get closed then you just drive six hours to another climbing area and problem solved. People who live in Lexington, Louisville and Cinn. are away. There isn't another direction I can drive in and find a world class climbing area. That is one of the biggest factors in keeping me in Lexington.
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Really good idea, Jeff.
I think McRib brings up one of the key difficulties we face in getting the message out. It is like I told Bill Ramsey back in the day- It is the locals (not just Lexington, but Red regulars) who sweep up, take out the trash, patch up and maintain relations, etc... after everyone else goes home to fill in the blank population center of the east coast and mid west. They come with a finite amount ot time and they want to maximize the climbing experience. they don't get involved in access.
So these folks are coming, (and I don't want to come off being a xenophobe- I like all of these folks. They are fun to be with). So how do we reach them with the message? Maybe the climbing gyms are the common denominator. Don't all climbers who go out of their way to come all the way to the Red have a local gym that they are at 2 or more nights a week? Wouldn't a pamplet about their favorite area get their attention and would be read?
Back to Torrent and getting that message out, I don't think one on one peer pressure is going to reach enough folks. There has to be a better more effective mechanism.
I have been asking the mags and some of their contributors for a while now to do a story or series of stories on a real issue facing climbing- namely everything Jeff mentioned. Every major climbing area in the country is facing the same problems.
I think McRib brings up one of the key difficulties we face in getting the message out. It is like I told Bill Ramsey back in the day- It is the locals (not just Lexington, but Red regulars) who sweep up, take out the trash, patch up and maintain relations, etc... after everyone else goes home to fill in the blank population center of the east coast and mid west. They come with a finite amount ot time and they want to maximize the climbing experience. they don't get involved in access.
So these folks are coming, (and I don't want to come off being a xenophobe- I like all of these folks. They are fun to be with). So how do we reach them with the message? Maybe the climbing gyms are the common denominator. Don't all climbers who go out of their way to come all the way to the Red have a local gym that they are at 2 or more nights a week? Wouldn't a pamplet about their favorite area get their attention and would be read?
Back to Torrent and getting that message out, I don't think one on one peer pressure is going to reach enough folks. There has to be a better more effective mechanism.
I have been asking the mags and some of their contributors for a while now to do a story or series of stories on a real issue facing climbing- namely everything Jeff mentioned. Every major climbing area in the country is facing the same problems.
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I think these ideas have potential. I have another one as well. Does anyone on here old enough to remember recall seeing those DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS bumper stickers? If so, did you know what they were about? I know I didn't. So I handled it the way handle I most things. I asked a Texan! I was informed that it was part of an anti-litter campaign. I do recall reading something about this later. I think it was an effective campaign at the time. So....climbers like bumper stickers.
DON'T MESS WITH THE RED
THE RED
DON'T F$#K IT UP
We could sell these. People would buy them. They would put them on their dirt bag cars. People would see them and ask what they mean. I am talking about a revolution here!
DON'T MESS WITH THE RED
THE RED
DON'T F$#K IT UP
We could sell these. People would buy them. They would put them on their dirt bag cars. People would see them and ask what they mean. I am talking about a revolution here!
So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing-- Zep
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing-- Zep