Quit abusing the land or we will all have to pay.

Post by **keith_b00ne** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:07 pm

I was on Creature Feature Satuday and noticed that someone built a fire pit at the base of the climb. During this same time there was a group of about 6 climbers hiking off trail to the road just so they could have a short cut. This coupled with the new information about Torrent falls and other observations has made alert to how many people out there that are selfish for their own interests. Trash, trash talk, and other things could easily close any of the crags and trails that we visit. Don't think that climbs such as Muir Valley could not also have the same fate if people don't respect the land and land owners. This is a plea that rules are not there for your convenience, but they are there for the long term use of the land. Respect each other and respect the land so that we can all continue to have access to great climbs.

Post by **Andrew** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:14 pm

Sounds like it is time for everyone to start educating people at all crags.

Post by **Caspian** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:35 pm

How can one possibly make the approach to Phantasia any shorter?

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:40 pm

caspian, set your watch back 15 minutes?

(did I win?)

Post by **stix** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:17 pm

Man, this shit has got to stop. Rock climbing is not a right a right, and certain people do not deserve to be at the crag. Even with groups, comittees, and individuals working for the climbing community, ours has always been a self policed sport. It's time for people to start taking some initiative out there. If you see someone doin this shit let them know that they are not welcome back. Climbing is in danger from sheer number of participants alone, and that's if we all acted perfectly. There are just too many people climbing. We can't afford fuckwits out there makin things worse.

Post by **keith_b00ne** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:17 pm

They were parked at the pull off that is a little farther down hill. Instead of going left on the trail, they went straight down the hill side.

Post by **Caspian** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:35 pm

Pigsteak,

Since the approach takes <1min....wouldn't setting your watch back 15mins actually make the time longer?

Keith,

I also recall there being another approach trail a little ways down the hill. Could this be the descent they took? Did you say something?

Post by **keith_b00ne** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:59 pm

I didn't say anything. I was belaying a leader at the time and didn't want to take away my focus. It was definantly not a trail. The fire ring was substantial in size. There was not enough time, nor did I have any tools to clean up this area. If anyone is in the area this would be appreciated if addressed.

Post by **rhunt** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:05 pm

stix wrote:Climbing is in danger from sheer number of participants alone, and that's if we all acted perfectly. There are just too many people climbing.

We are just now starting to see the affects of overcrowding, it'll only get worse from here. All we can do is try our best to educate and police and hope for the best. Fires at the cliff are the worse most unforgivable sin in the DBNF!!

Post by **Ascentionist** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:50 pm

Climbers aren't necessarily hte only people to frequent places as close to the road as Phantasia. I'm not saying it's not climbers, but it could just as easily be yay-hoos that didn't want to walk too far from the car. They see a trail and think it must be a good spot to party because other people have been there...