POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF TORRENT FALLS CRAG

Post by **neuroshock** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:29 am

caribe wrote:
Much of the problem appears to be money and traffic. Don't call it a donation; just say that it costs 2$ (or whatever) per climber, period. The more $ it costs to climb the less traffic you will get. At some point equilibrium between seller (owner) and buyer (climber) is reached as is the case in all dynamic systems.

i'm wondering about the legalities of things. if they make the $2 mandatory, does the KY Wilderness Act thingie still apply? the thing that lets them off of the hook on liability.

Post by **gunslnga** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:14 am

J-Rock states....Mark's notice about the potential cliff closure has been posted on the bulletin board at Climb Time Towers in Indy. Education is definitely a step in the right direction.

It is posted at Rockquest as well, saw it last night, read it again.
It was packed last night, fought gym rats for routes all night, did'nt
witness anyone else read it while standing near the kiosk on two different routes. They posted it next to the highest read paper on the kiosk(route ratings/locations)and it got little notice, this is an opinion based on watching the kiosk, for a few minutes at a time, over several hours.
I too thank you Mark for your contribution to my climbing experience!

Post by **J-Rock** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:47 am

On the other hand, I witnessed quite a few people read it in our gym and several asked questions about it. At least there are some more climbers out there now who realize that this is an important issue and they now know the rules. Of course, it is up to them whether they follow those rules or not... but, they have been informed.

Post by **Sunshine** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:25 pm

Somewhere between these two gyms, between these two states, lies the truth. Who will we, the climbing community, believe? Will it be the man from "The Commonwealth" or will it be the man from the "Land of Indians"? How well do we know these two? This gunslnga and J-Rock? I think we should have a vote! Does anyone from the tri-state area know how to run an election?

Post by **weber** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:53 pm

Huh?

Sometimes your posts are pretty cryptic, Sunshine. Can't follow this last one.

J-Rock and Gunslnga both make excellent points. No competition, no election, complete agreement. Let's not get off subject.

Climbers' ethics are being covered very well in this thread. Thanks to all for expressing respect for private property.

Rick

Post by **Toad** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:57 pm

Did the notice have pictures? People are more likely to read something
if there are pictures involved. Maybe a photo of a dogfight, and some
money, and somebody's bare butt squatting in the woods and a
closeup of a rope being cut. It would be really cool if all of this was
in one photo.

Post by **Sunshine** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:58 pm

It's early. I will stay the course. Of course! Please forgive me.

Post by **Spragwa** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:16 pm

This is awesome. If we climbers on this BBS continue to educate people who don't participate in this discussion, we can save Torrent and Muir. Woohoo!

Post by **Sunshine** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:40 pm

Pictures of the problem would help. We have to know what the problem looks like to wrap our minds around it. I have a digital camera. I will be waiting, watching, storing data. It will be black and white, 0's and 1's, on or off. There will be no grey. There will be no gray. I hope I am clear about this.

Post by **moonbeam** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:56 pm

Sunshine, I told you not to put your meds in your Yosemite Sam PEZ dispenser. You keep passing them out then you have none left for you. Now you'll have to double the dose.

We can't have a vote because the voting machines are all corrupt.

It's all going grey.