POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF TORRENT FALLS CRAG

[Stewy911]

I totally agree with Paul. We need to get this text out to as many surrounding gyms as possible so people know and we can continue to enjoy the great climbing that Torrent has brought to us.

[dhoyne]

Thanks for all your hard work Mark. We really do appreciate Torrent Falls and hopefully a few bad apples won't ruin everything.

That being said, I'm now hungry thinking about your pulled pork and grilled portobellos.

[weber]

Mark,

We feel your pain. Most climbers are terrific. But, it takes only a few bad eggs to ruin things for all the good folks. We are starting to encounter similar problems and hope that peer pressure from other climbers will solve some of them. If not, the consequences are obvious.

I'm still a little miffed that gear was stolen Sunday from the top cliff 15 feet ABOVE established anchors at the Bruise Brothers Wall. We had that off-limits area set aside for a working area for AMGA training that is currently going on there. Some climbers consider anything they find "booty." This gear was clearly beyond the climbs and in off limits area. Please leave route developer's gear and training gear alone. And, do not EVER climb above anchors at MV, unless you are a registered MV route developer.

And a big thanks to all of you who play by the rules.

Rick

[RRO]

Mark, I respect what you just did and how you did it. We will help you stay behind it and get the word out. You and your family have done so much for this somewhat selfish sport we all love. We owe you more than what has been given.

We all have broken at least one of the rules Mark posted. Find that rule in your head and work on it at every crag you go to.

[SikMonkey]

Oh, and I too, thank you Mark for you and your family's hospitality. I truly hope we can resolve this issue to your satisfaction.

Mj

[kneebar]

Thanks Mark for making it perfectly clear. Some climbers don't get the point unless the word "closure" happens to be mentioned. So for all you "climbers" that didn't donate in the past its time to step up and toss the cash in. Pay your dues, otherwise you are just a thief!

[squeezindlemmon]

Mark and Kathy, you guys rock! Thanks for the privilege of climbing in your property. We are truly blessed.

i've forwarded it on to miami university (a lot of gumbies head down from there)...

I will forward the info to the Purdue crowd.

[Artsay]

I think it's important to point out that RRG climbers have frequently stepped up and done great things when asked to (Muir Valley trail day turn outs, the PMRP fundraiser...). I don't disagree with anything Mark and Kathy are suffering with but I do wish that these issues were made known *before* this breaking point was hit. This kind of reminds me of the PMRP issue. No one knew there was a problem but, once it was made known, great things have been accomplished.

I have no doubt in my mind that if folks knew what was going on, it wouldn't have come to this. Everyone who knows the Meyer's have a HUGE respect for them. The problem is with those that don't. I know it shouldn't be Mark and Kathy's responsibility to lay out the rules and give reminders but rules are important for communicating expectations and setting boundaries. If the climbing community had known their rules, expectations, and/or current frustrations, I have no doubt that more people would've showed up on Saturday to show their support.

I'm really sorry for Mark and Kathy. They're good people. I've been climbing at Torrent for years and am only aware of a few of the newly posted rules but I will strictly follow them all from now on.

On the flip side, I'm happy that the work done on Saturday exceeded Mark's expectations. At least there is something good that came from the trail day.

[Sunshine]

I was going to close the crag until I brought the subject up to the RRGCC board members. Fortunately, they had their board meeting at Torrent this past weekend. Upon their recommendation, I am keeping the crag open until the enclosed rules are met. But if these rules are not strictly r
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I find this statement of fact by Mark to be of great importance. I was there, I, along with other reasonable people, told him what we would do. Shut it down. As mentioned earlier, closures or the threat of closure appears to be the sure fire way to bring proper attention to these pressing issues! We were lucky. Cooler heads prevailed!
So, we have a second chance now, for the third or four time. Only the Meyers know. Thanks to bob and the rest of the board of the RRGCC and Mark and Cathy, you guys know how I feel about you.

Terry

[charlie]

I knew this had become an issue as of Saturday. Today is Tuesday. Sorry if it took this long to say something but I was working on trails both Saturday and Sunday.

If the climbing community had known their rules, expectations, and/or current frustrations, I have no doubt that more people would've showed up on Saturday to show their support.

Leash laws are posted and the donation box is all of about 2 feet from the freaking trailhead. Sorry if it's not neon and flashing but I guess we assumed most of the climbers were smart enough to actually think it might apply to them. Lack of education about these rules is an invalid excuse.

I understand there are certain issues that education and signs could help with but do we have to post signs for people to not leave trash, not move other people's property, and treat the landowners and people you meet on private property with respect? Apparently I have been giving people way too much credit, I'll drop all my other projects and start rolling with the RRGCC Babysitting Committee as it seems that should be the most pressing priority for the BOD these days.