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which would you choose?

protecting anwr from drilling
12
24%
mandating an increase in mpg performance for the auto industry
37
76%
 
Total votes: 49

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kato
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Post by kato »

Agree with charlie on the red herrings. The real solution is to cap non-comm vehicle weight, then lower the cap over the next 30 years to about 350 lbs.
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discojett
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Post by discojett »

ExxonMobil pulled in $10 billion in profit...third quarter alone. Thats profit. Not over a year, but one quarter.

Industry does not need subsidies.
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Crankmas
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Post by Crankmas »

Oil is giving those profits to shareholders, if it looked sustainable it would be going to refining etc; but its not so it's not
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pigsteak
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Post by pigsteak »

farm subsidies...does that include tobacco farmers....? just curious what crops you have to farm to be included. besides, isn't a lot of our grains used to make bourbon and the like...seems like a "not so vital" part fo the industry to give them subsidies.
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lordjim_2001
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Post by lordjim_2001 »

pigsteak wrote:..., isn't a lot of our grains used to make bourbon and the like...seems like a "not so vital" part fo the industry to give them subsidies...
Blasphemy!
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pigsteak
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Post by pigsteak »

lorjim.....lmao....should have qualified that, eh?
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Alan Evil
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Post by Alan Evil »

ANWR can never be repaired or replaced while eventually the price of gas will mandate more efficient cars. On the other hand, global warming will thaw the permafrost up there anyway, releasing a phenomenal amount of methane... it's all bad. Too bad we didn't listen to the scientists 15 years ago when they started suggesting we drasticly reduce greenhouse gas emmissions. Oh well. My vote has no effect and my voice is as good as silent in the grand scheme of things so I'll just do my best to survive as the condition of the world's ecosystem wobbles towards collapse.
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jcwhite
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Post by jcwhite »

how about putting an end to MOUNTAIN TOP REMOVAL in eastern Kentucky and West Virgina?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Aug16.html

http://www.appvoices.org/mtr/default.asp

Hell, do a search! This is disgusting!
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steep4me
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Post by steep4me »

How about prohibiting interstate trucking and use the rail system that is already in place and underutilized? It would save gas, prevent highway crashes/fatalities, and still protect local trucking industries?
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Crankmas
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Post by Crankmas »

even expand rail transit, perhaps even going out of the way to incorporate polluted sites that could be restored while the transit system was being constructed, a series of terminals where tractors could be coordinated with trailers, eliminating a lot of cross country hywy mileage,
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