"Closed Project" crack???

Post by **SCIN** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:43 am

512OW tells the truth.

Post by **Astroman** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:13 pm

512OW wrote:And...I guess it depends on your idea of a beautiful crack. I don't get very excited about a crack that looks like RockWars. Looks boring.

Simply put, you're just makin dumb statements.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. And I guess I don't get very excited about upsidedown chimney climbing... Looks boring.

And SCIN, you yourself called ATG "one of the most aesthetic routes in the gorge" in your book... I guess according to 512OW, that too was a "dumb statement"...........

But true 512OW, it's all subjective...

Post by **SCIN** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:23 pm

I meant he tells the truth about the sick lines he referred to. One of them is reminiscent of Steve Petro's "Fiddler on a Roof". Another I know of is a long curving Welcome to Ol' Kentuck. Problem with most of these lines is accessibility. All that Glitters is a nice line but there are plenty of other aesthetic lines out there in the Daniel Boone National Forest. I guess it really doesn't matter though. This is gay.

Post by **Spragwa** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:39 am

Meadows wrote:Oh the Sun shines there.

Meadows, that is a classic statement. I'm not sure if anyone caught it but it is truly awe-inspiring and deserves a compliment. Nice.

Post by **512OW** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:06 pm

Astroman wrote:
512OW wrote:And...I guess it depends on your idea of a beautiful crack. I don't get very excited about a crack that looks like RockWars. Looks boring.

Simply put, you're just makin dumb statements.
Yeah, yeah, whatever. And I guess I don't get very excited about upsidedown chimney climbing... Looks boring.

And SCIN, you yourself called ATG "one of the most aesthetic routes in the gorge" in your book... I guess according to 512OW, that too was a "dumb statement"...........

But true 512OW, it's all subjective...

Aesthetics are the philosophy of, or to some, the study of, beauty as it appeals to the senses.

So, way I see it, SCIN was right on. You outright called it stunning.

I see its aesthetic value as a rockclimb. However, I can't fathom its aesthetic value as a, what did you call it..."last great project". Its just too average a crack to hold that distinction for me. And far too easy.

The "great project" moniker should, in my opinion, be held out for those problems that are near or beyond the top of the hardest standards, or require movements never before thought of on rock. Those problems that just a few years ago felt impossible.

Mandala
Book Of Hate
The Optimist

Things like that....

You're allowed your opinion (even if it is cliche). It just means that when I'm in the Red twice a year I don't have to worry about people waiting at the base of the cool climbs....

Post by **Astroman** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:00 am

OK, OK. I give up. (True, this is gay)...

I guess I've just been bored lately. I'm stuck on a 10 week rotation at the hospital out in Morehead... I've had more time than usual to make dumb, cliche statements.

BUT, thanks 512OW, for the short list of some of the great unclimbed cracks out there... Hopefully I'll get a chance to see some of 'em... They sound good, especially the Mariba Fork route and the longer, curving Bitch Crack.

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:24 pm

512OW wrote: You're allowed your opinion (even if it is cliche). It just means that when I'm in the Red twice a year I don't have to worry about people waiting at the base of the cool climbs....

you mean people waiting in line to climb 5.8 offwidths? you're beyond your time captain galactic.

Post by **512OW** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:56 pm

Horatio Felacio wrote:
512OW wrote: You're allowed your opinion (even if it is cliche). It just means that when I'm in the Red twice a year I don't have to worry about people waiting at the base of the cool climbs....
you mean people waiting in line to climb 5.8 offwidths? you're beyond your time captain galactic.

Just because you don't see me, doesn't mean I'm not there....

And those "5.8's" are really 5.4. You're out of your element. Go back to your little finger cracks.

Post by **spuzo** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:26 pm

Post by **Wes** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:59 pm

Hardest crack project in the red is closed forever to climbing. Next time you have a couple minutes to kill and are over near sky bridge arch, walk down and under the arch. The old aid line would go free, but would make wtok look like a slab climb.