K.N.A.R.P

[squeezindlemmon]

Wasn't there something like this years ago proposed for the Long Wall area?

[charlie]

Christian, if I remember correctly from my nature nazi mailings there was one case in the FLA supreme court and then another in CA. Think the Fla case made it to the US supreme court this year.

[Steve]

Wasn't there something like this years ago proposed for the Long Wall area?

Umm the Army Corps of Engineers were going to dam the Red River and flood the Gorge a few decades ago.. The site of the dam was to be around Jailhouse Rock.

[Eric]

Eminent Domain is not something that is easy to do or that government entities like doing. It was recently challenged and upheld in New London, Connecticut, but that was related to economic redevelopment. The government has to prove larger benefits to "take property". Since Rick owns a large section of this area and probably would never sell, that is going to mess up plans slightly. They might be able to work around his corner if the initiative is really there. I am sure the Army Corps of Engineers will be involved and there will be public hearings, probably also the TVA.

[Christian]

Yo charlie. You may be right I just remember a reference to it and it just seemed like another blow against all that is good and pure and another victory for vampiric corporate development.

[tomdarch]

http://www.muirvalley.com/map-contour.html

With a water elevation of 1020', it's hard to tell wether the climbs would be submerged. Where the dam is indicated, the valley floor should be around 800' to 850', with a top of dam at 1080', that's a roughly 200' tall dam, which is some serious construction. (Remember that the force that water exerts on the base of a dam is a function of it's depth - at 200' deep that's about 6.5 US tons per sq. ft.) It would be a 'big' dam, but not a 'huge' one. It's interesting that preliminary engineering doesn't indicate things like hydroelectric generation or a water pumping facility.

Also, when you look at the elevations on the contour map, a water level of 1020' results in an oddly underfilled reservoir. It's an interesting coincidence that the dam is located very near to the limits of the Muir Valley property boundary. Siting a dam is a pretty complex process that takes into account everything from geology to construction logistics. It's not like someone just looks at a map in some GIS software, slaps down a line and clicks a few buttons to simulate a reservior.

As for a 'shopping mall' sized paved area (200k sq. ft.?) - that would involve some serious grading (a.k.a. 'expensive') - nothing around there is very flat. You couldn't 'cut' very far down without hitting rock, and trucking 'fill' into an area like that would be crazy expensive. Plus, there are all the issues of stabilizing fill on those hillsides...

None of this is to say that there aren't examples of bad engineering out there...

[Artsay]

I received this in an email from the lead engineer of the KNARP dam site proposal:

The client (K.N.A.R.P.) wants a little more information on the figure. This appears to be a controversial project because of the proposed flooding.

Yea, I'd say so!

[SikMonkey]

Jeez. That blows ass. As for eminent domain and such, I know that the Transportation Cabinet can condemn land to build highways across if the homeowner refuses to sell. I am assuming this is a private group though? Hey, look at the bright side though (if there is such a thing), Roadside now becomes Lakeside. (Just kidding)

Mj

[SikMonkey]

Oh, and if it is true and someone is trying to get this moving, We will all be dead and gone (so will our kids) before it actually happens. This stuff takes decades to even break ground on. They are still talking about damming up the KY River (or one of its tributaries) close to my house and make a lake out of the whole area. I think the project was propsed in the 60's or 70's.

Mj

[captain static]

Any chance KNARP is a cover name for something else?............

KRAPN?