"Closed Project" crack???

Post by **pigsteak** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:17 pm

A friend saw it a month ago, and said he will be back this Spring to send it, with or without Blake's "approval".....you all have been warned.

Post by **SCIN** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:20 am

Man, it really doesn't even matter who climbs the damn thing first. The line will be exactly the same after someone does it than it is right now.

Post by **allah** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:02 pm

its all just about the spray status

Post by **Zspider** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:04 pm

512OW wrote:
I've been hearing about Blakes route for a few years, which I personally think is WAY too long to claim a project. Well, I think a day is too long.

My feelings, too. Ownership should come with a legal deed.

ZSpider

Post by **pigsteak** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:36 am

and allah and I should know....(about spray status)

btw, I wasn't trying to be a dick about my buddy planning on sending the crack...just announcing his intentions with plenty of forewarninig, so no one acts like he came in here and "stole" the line..he was like many others on here...saw that striking line, and thought it a shame that some many were waiting in line for a natural line such as that.

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:27 pm

his name is moses and he's coming to let our people free!

Post by **Zspider** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:35 pm

Horatio Felacio wrote:his name is moses and he's coming to let our people free!

Don't get too close to the burning bush.

ZSpider

Post by **pigsteak** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:00 am

bow down, and allow the waters to part, my friends. you will be walking on holy ground soon.....the route shall be loosed and the chains broken.

Post by **Crankmas** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:16 pm

Is it at that point we'll start whining again and turn from God and build us a bronze bouldering wall?

Post by **tomdarch** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:47 pm

pigsteak wrote:.....and the chains broken.

uh, that's not good....

SCIN wrote:Man, it really doesn't even matter who climbs the damn thing first. The line will be exactly the same after someone does it than it is right now.

Maybe if we were talking about 13s or 14s, it would be different, but I have a hard time imagining why it's so important to claim a FA on a crag route - especially a single pitch route. Any route that I would consider cleaning/bolting/etc and then expect to be able to send, can be on-sighted and/or used as a warm-up by lots of folks - that's true of all 12s and most 13s. Wether or not someone else has done a route doesn't really effect wether or not I can do the route.

There's a lot of work/time/money put into preparing a route, and the person who does it deserves a great deal of respect, including respecting their request to give them a fair chance to send it, but does this extend for months or years? At that point, it's a 'project' and you'd probably benefit from getting someone else's input on how to send.