Victory whips

[SikMonkey]

know it's tradition on this forum to argue for the sake of arguing

I thought I was bad, but until I got on this forum I didn't know what that phrase REALLY meant. Oh well, this place still kicks ass. We have the best climbing community in the whole damn world and if anyone has a differing opinion......YOU ARE WRONG!

Mj

[dhoyne]

From http://www.muirvalley.com/whippers1.html:

Unintentional falls are part of climbing. Even taking a reasonable number of short intentional falls to learn and/or reinforce proper technique in falling is recognized as part of this sport. But, deliberately bailing off a top anchor system for the shear giddy thrill of rope jumping is NOT part of the sport of rock climbing. It is, rather, a separate irresponsible act of daring that unnecessarily endangers others’ lives and therefore will not be tolerated in Muir Valley.

Learn to read, all questions on falling will be answered people. I know there are alot of words -- some of them more than five letters long -- but I think you can handle it.

[Toad]

If only I had known there was a webpage called whippers1.html, I would have looked.

So, am I know to believe that you don't need to be all that experienced to climb at Muir? Squeeze?? Anyone??

Somebody help me. I'm so confused.

[Wes]

Whatever rules Rick wishes to set for climbing in Muir is cool with me. But, I think it is wrong to use the theory that victory whippers are unsafe for the bolts to justify banning victory whippers. If Rick doesn't feel good abou them, then that is fine. But, don't use self-serving, untrue in the real world psydo-science to back it up. Just say "no more victory whippers", and it would be done. Because if saftey is your number one mission, then you should be much more worried about things that are actually dangerous.

Like making stick clipping the first bolt required, as there are many injuries from falling before you get there.

Making sure you cannot deck or hit a ledge from any bolt (esp. 2nd, 3rd).

Etc. So many other things that could be done for saftey, rather then the non-issue of bolt damage from very low fall factors whipps from the anchors.

[charlie]

......It's cool because that happens a lot less when you pull over the top and stand up to finish a climb

W3rd.

Point of clarification.....

..are we talking about falling while clipped into the anchors or from the anchors clipped in to the bolt below?

[Meadows]

From http://www.muirvalley.com/whippers1.html:

But, deliberately bailing off a top anchor system for the shear giddy thrill of rope jumping is NOT part of the sport of rock climbing. .

Could someone please get the definition of victory whipper correct? I thought it was whipping off the last bolt.

[Don McGlone]

RRO and I climbing Weedeater @ Muir last week:

Me: "Watch me man, I'm coming off!!"
RRO: "What? You're at the anchors, just grab the chains!"
Me: "I have grabbed the chains, dammit!"

I still couldn't clip and proceeded to take ze whip. Isn't that still a redpoint? Kinda like in those speed-climbing comps where they ring the bell at the top and whip?

[dhoyne]

From http://www.muirvalley.com/whippers1.html:

But, deliberately bailing off a top anchor system for the shear giddy thrill of rope jumping is NOT part of the sport of rock climbing. .

Could someone please get the definition of victory whipper correct? I thought it was whipping off the last bolt.

:cough:

From same article:

There isn’t complete agreement on what constitutes a “victory whipper” but the general consensus is that it is an act of daring done by a climber after finishing a climb that is characterized by the climber not clipping into the anchors but rather touching them and then releasing grip on the wall and falling until the rope from the belayer, up through the clipped quickdraws, and tied to the climber, is pulled taut by the falling climber.

[Guest]

all of the victory whippers I've witnessed were done after clipping (usually just one of) the anchors. The first one I saw left a super bad taste in my mouth because the climber didn't warn his belayer, who was paying out slack for him to clip... the gate didn't even shut before he intentionally launched off. When he got down, I killed him.

[Meadows]

dhoyne, thanks man! I don't spend much time on muirvalley.com since I'm here all the time.