Who to call for route maintance??

Post by **Sunshine** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:07 pm

There would have to be "checks and balances" to borrow the drill. You would have to leave some kind of "deposit". The drill should be for route maintenance only. Not route development. This will work.

Post by **kirker** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:14 pm

You are right it could work. If some sort of posting area for routes that need repairs where developed. I'm sure a small group of people who own the equitment would get together a few times a year and repair routes for a weekend. I know I would.
Maybe Ray could make an area on this redriverclimbing for route repairs???

Post by **Crankmas** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:22 pm

fuck it, lets go bowling and worry about that tomorrow

Post by **Christian** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:29 pm

I am willing to learn how to repair anchors.
I am not willing to go bowling with crankmas.

Post by **meetVA** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:34 pm

gullwig, sunshine is a smart, articulate and detailed oriented man. somedays i even think he's just a sarcastic mad scientist.

just wanted to let you know.

Post by **TradMike** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:17 pm

I'll donate as well. Sounds like a great idea. The anchors in the Red are getting old and scary in places. Maybe it could be on the front page. It's that important. A mail location for donations would be good as well.

Post by **TradMike** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:25 pm

There should also be requirement/guidelines on hardware.

Post by **kirker** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:28 pm

gullwig, sunshine is a smart, articulate and detailed oriented man. somedays i even think he's just a sarcastic mad scientist.

I figured he just wanted to put his 2 cents worth in. I also just wanted him to understand I not looking for a free ride. Just information.

Post by **TradMike** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:46 pm

Does anyone know of any short comings of the Rawl 5 Piece? Shouldn't we put in the best considering every hole adds to blight? I know with the soft stone you may not be able to re-use the hole but most of the stone in the Red is pretty hard. It would be nice to be able to re-use the same hole and most bolts cannot be extracted. Just thinking out loud.

Rawl 5 Piece
The Rawl five piece has been a standard for many years and with good reason. It is among the strongest bolt available for hard to medium-soft rock and is removable, which will be convenient when they need to be replaced in 30 years or so. They do require a very clean hole, however. Although great in solid sandstone, in softer rock such as the canyonlands rock dust may jam the threads, causing the bolt to spin in place without tightening. The Hilti HSL is similar to the Rawl bolt in design and strength but is hard to come by. Do not overtighten the bolts, as the head can shear off, or worse, be at the point where it is about to shear. Get a torque wrench, and use it on practice rocks to learn how tight is proper.

Post by **Toy** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:56 pm

According to Weber, Rawl 5 piece aren't made anymore. Their are some still filtering in to distributers, but they will soon be no more