split topic, from Two Muir Routes closed

Post by **corduroy** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:18 pm

hummm....

i wonder if we will have anything to talk about this weekend???

Post by **Ultra** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:23 pm

From: Ultra
To: J-Rock
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: The future of route development
so I was wrong about posting the soccer mom comment. In fact I was wrong in posting the whole thing. It was none of my business from the begining. I put my own foot in my own ass and I am sorry I ever started.

But... I just saw all of you guys ganging up on Greg and I defended him. Right or wrong thats what I do for my friends. If it gets me banned or arrested or even sued. I stand up for my friends. If you are one of my friends you'll apreciate it

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Post by **squeezindlemmon** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:27 pm

Ultra wrote: Right or wrong thats what I do for my friends.

So you condone your friends' wrongdoing? Doesn't sound much like a friend to me.

Post by **Danny** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:58 pm

Kudos Ultra.

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:07 pm

i don't think ultra condones wrongdoing necessarily, but he stands behind his friends. any true friend should do that.

personally i like joe. i think he has some good points, but he may not articulate those ideas in the most ideal way all the time...and people take it personally.

Post by **gunslnga** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:30 pm

I believe you should back your friends right or wrong, however it is also your responsibility to police your friends when what they have done, with your backing, was wrong. I agree with Scin and Artsay, nothing good has come of this so far, but it's evident these guys were good friends, right or wrong/good or bad, they should meet in the middle and square this away. Life is way too short and contrary to popular belief, the Red is not that big for a disagreement of this nature.
I don't know any of you except on here, but I hope you can settle this with acceptable gains/losses on both sides. Good luck!
Gunslnga

Post by **Spragwa** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:44 pm

Horatio Felacio wrote:i don't think ultra condones wrongdoing necessarily, but he stands behind his friends. any true friend should do that.

personally i like joe. i think he has some good points, but he may not articulate those ideas in the most ideal way all the time...and people take it personally.

Ditto.

Artsay shares my hope. It's sad to see friends at such odds. I hope everyone involved works out their feelings.

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:08 pm

..more proof of how websites can bring out the worst in all of us.....here's to hoping all join in on Saturday at Muir to show our appreciation for the privilege of climbing on private land.

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:37 pm

let's have a group hug at the gathering! maybe even construct the ol' elephant circle

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:44 pm

yum yum....you in front Ho.....