all this f-ing cring...

Post by **eroktix** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:23 pm

i realize as a climber, that climbing is the only thing we realy have to talk about but damn, bitchin about who did this and who bolted that is crazy. i understand that if you bolt a route that you want to 'f.a.' the rig. maybe your boltin something thats above your level. my opinion about bolting a new route is, you've got your chance just like everyone else now. its up to you to be fit enough to do it first. "hey man, i bolted and cleaned (read: chipped, glued and drilled) that route for me so stay off untill further notice". whatever. most the lines that i saw at the 'MV' a grandma from france would hike as a warm up anyway! so relax this shit is ment to be fun. well, maybe this bitchin is your kinda fun. enjoy.

Post by **Jonathan** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:32 pm

wow! what fresh concept. Here's another one for ya. I'm sick of topics about being sick of FA elitism, bolting ethics, and anti-spray spraying. STFU.

Post by **vic** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:35 pm

Well, I am sure that subject has come up before. Bluntly speaking:
A F.A. goes up there - during his / her day off.
Doesn't climb on that particular.
Has spent about $130 - out of pocket for bolts and anchors.
Has spent at least $350 for a good drill.
Works his/her bouty off for nearly an entire day, sometimes a little less, sometimes a little more.
Does all of this for you, others, and even me.
Yeah, we could say thank you, turn around and hit them where it may hurt a little. Heck, as soon as they rappel down, we could even push them off the cliff so that you could jump on the F.A. yourself.

Bottom line, is that how you thank people in life?
There are many more routes that will leave you pumped in the area - heck, in the entire USA... so why not simply say thanks to the F.A.s and choose another route until further notice?

Post by **eroktix** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:39 pm

to everyone who has ever bolted a line that i have climbed, thank you. hope that gets out to them all. must have hit a nerve.

Post by **tomdarch** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:10 pm

One the one hand, I really want to learn how to put up routes - spot the line, rig it, locate/place bolts, yes, even clean it. But on the other hand, I can't imagine that once the route was up, it would make any difference to me wether I got the FA. I care wether I can climb it, but even if 20 other people warm up on it, it wouldn't change the question of wether I could do the route or not. Hell, if some fool is willing to go pull the loose holds off for me, have at it!

But just because I can't imagine caring myself, it doesn't mean that someone else's request doesn't deserve respect if they put the route up. Some goof who might have 20 'closed projects' at a time doesn't count - if someone just put up a route and 'red tags' it, I say just leave it - there are plenty of other routes around.

Post by **Ultra** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:12 pm

I got an open line thats due for a FA. Its over by mount olive. "Pink Sock". Me and a couple of other guys bolted it with some guidance from a serior bolter/FA'ist. I never could get across the roof section. You guys might want to check it out.

Post by **Yasmeen** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:51 pm

Jonathan wrote: wow! what fresh concept. Here's another one for ya. I'm sick of topics about being sick of FA elitism, bolting ethics, and anti-spray spraying. STFU.

Well said, Jonathan, and so succinctly, too.

Post by **Sunshine** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:09 pm

Yasmeen wrote:
Jonathan wrote: wow! what fresh concept. Here's another one for ya. I'm sick of topics about being sick of FA elitism, bolting ethics, and anti-spray spraying. STFU.
Well said, Jonathan, and so succinctly, too.

Who woulda thunk that those topics would have EVER come up on a climbing site!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:26 pm

I think I'll start banning everyone who talks about climbing on this site.

Post by **Sunshine** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:32 pm

I wish I had that kind of awesome power!