Crazyfingers

Post by **Ultra** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:57 pm

have you seen the trail at Solar collector? Sprag was there. She caan show you how its done. Or go see it. All it takes is a saw. no metal no concrete. It stays in place excellent. Plus its safe and introduces no un-indigenous(sp) material into the enviroment.(Just a little fact in the political-correct arena of enviromentalism.) The thing about using materials already present to build a trail is this.
(1) it introduces no foriegn materials i.e. metal, concrete, preserved wood.
(2) It doesn't cost anything other than the gas to work the materials. You can do it
with simple hand tools if you want.
(3) its non-toxic

The cost/benifit of using treated vs. non-treated wood is this. Treated wood works great-underground. The wood that would be used if done ladder style would lay on top of the ground. Thus evening the benifit ratio. Does that make sense? Just check out the Solar collector creek crosing.....

Post by **lordjim_2001** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:14 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that bridge is pressure treated. Dr. Bob, do you want to field that one?

You can't use a regular saw though, a chainsaw is much more fun.

Post by **weber** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:34 pm

Just talked with Grant Stephens, the co-owner of the property on which Roadside is located. He is very appreciative of your offers to do some trail maintenance and hardening of the bases of some of the climbs. He is familiar with the tree at Crazy Fingers and will be discussing the matter with John Haight, his co-owner. He reminded me that November 5 is this year's date for the FIG III Adventure Race and suggested the next weekend, or the next, for a trail day.

Grant said that he and John would try to get some materials up there for us to use.

Rick

Post by **marathonmedic** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:43 pm

Thanks a ton.

Post by **weber** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:00 pm

ynp1: the reason the "M" word appears so frequently on this forum is that there is a lot going on down there, and those of us associated with this new and rapidly growing venue are being innundated with emails asking how, where, when, etc. It has been a lot easier to make general postings to minimize the mail. As for my compliments on the hard work done by MV volunteers, I believe people should be recognized for solid achievements.

Rick

Post by **corduroy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:12 pm

Rick
pay no attention to ynp1
he has no class
i hope he never sets foot in the valley

Post by **ynp1** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:23 pm

i said i was sorry... i thought....

Post by **vic** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:28 pm

Yeah, it would be great if the tree wasn't there... but the fact is that it is THERE.
It should and I am glad that it is the owner's final decision as to cut it or not cut it.
From the looks of it, why couldn't the tree be treated with as much respect as a ledge?
Are we going to cut / break off all the ledges now?
Good-by wadcutters, bendelier, etc... I loved you...
(even though i broke my ankle over there - yes, on that ledge)

At a young age, I learned to never fight the water / waves.
I failed to understand ledges better prior to breaking my ankles.
I would personally be disapointed if someone "removed" those ledges...

Either way, let's not paint trees, and let's not cut trees on someone else's land... that is of poor taste - and could get a place closed. Just not worth 6 pages of this stuff though - sorry.

Post by **ynot** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:33 pm

First time I' ve seen an argument on here turn into such a positive thing. I think we are growing as a community. group hug.

Post by **vic** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:11 pm

I am seeing two things in the RRG:
1. A community that keeps growing stronger.
2. Routes available to the public that are growing by the numbers - I estimate them to have grown as much as 20% in the last 4 years - with more and more at the tip of our fingers.
For this, we should be very thankful.